Covad Standalone ADSL2+: June 1? > Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner

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Re: Got in Fight with RCN and wont use TIme Warner

A dry/dedicated copper loop (which will be used for the ADSL2+ loops) has certain requirements. Once the loop is installed, and accepted, the ILEC (verizon) is required to keep that loop in the same or better condition. So even if FIOS is rolled out, and they remove copper in the area, they are required to maintain the dedicated copper loop.

Now, that isn't to say they won't touch it, and could cause issues, but legally speaking, they need to keep, and maintain the copper loop.
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reply to justin
"Why would it stop when fios rolls out? because verizon might sabotage the copper in the area?"

I haven't a clue. That is why I am asking. It is an MDU. When FIOS comes out I would want FIOS over DSL at any rate, but it is NOT here yet and won't be for ages.

15000/1000 is a good speed which is the fastest offering on the overall basis considering RCN is OVERSOLD and speeds reached during peak are less than 15MBPS.

As for RCN vs Covad support, Covad can't be any worse than RCN has gotten lately. Covad uses Samsung AceMAP DSLAM's which they installed in the CO here.

The best DSLAM's in the CO which can scale in speed for DSL apparently are the Covad Samsung Acemap since Covad is the only one now doing the 15000/1000 speed over DSL.

Verizon proper doesnt do more than 7Mbps and the price is way too high as well.

So the REAL top speed competitors in my area with their CLAIMED SPEEDS (NOT ACTUAL)

RCN 20000/2000 (FTTB to MDU)
Time Warner 12000/768 (FTTC to MDU)
Covad 15000/1000 (ADSL2+ to MDU over POTS, lower than 2000 feet loop length in my case, service is rated for up to 4k feet)

The thing is RCN is OVERSOLD in my area and the company sucks balls although it has the fiber optics in place as well as CLAIMED top speed which is NOT ACTUAL.

Time Warner's issue is Dick Parsons who made some comments which I resent so much and its speeds are lower and more pricey to boot.

So out of the services at this point in time Covad seems to be the best of the 3. I had no problems with Covad in the past, except for Verizon POTS issues due to long loop length. But at less than 2k to the CO and with copper pots underground (not arial), if the copper is in top shape, then I should NOT be having any issues at all.

reply to LBDSL
Do you know if they will allow bonding ? Hell Id love to pop for 2 15/1's if they can bond em. Id be happier then hell.
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reply to LBDSL
By my parents home the copper is in place as well as the Fiber optics.

In fact they still have a line on the copper for emergency blackout purposes even though Fiber optics is available.

The issue here was that its an MDU so I guess that if Fiber was installed it would just be installed as an additonal system in the building.

A question:

If the loop length in the building is under 2k feet and its a highrise MDU with the wiring underground, would you expect that the full 15000/1000 speed will be obtainable?

DSL is a dedicated pipe and should have lower utilization as well on the DSLAM. In my building the vast majority of users are on RCN on an oversold FTTB architecture. Alot less are on Time Warner which just put in a FTTC architecture last year (New node across the street).

Covad put in their AceMap DSLAM also recently in the Central Office here. But when it came out the speed was Earthlink LPV 8/1 and it was a disappointment.

Now that 15000/1000 is available, it makes Covad alot more viable. Being near a CO generally means ALOT better line conditions and a much better overall service.

Do you know which Modem Covad will include for its ADSL2+ service at 15000/1000? I think for Earthlink LPV they were using the Zyxel equipment.

I am disappointed however that FIOS never made it over here yet.

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reply to BosstonesOwn
Nope, no bonding on ADSL

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reply to batterup
Greenfield has no COPPER that was installed so of course it will be fiber.

The question is in areas which have Fiber AND Copper where customers have their DEDICATED LOOPS.

But the dedicated loop legal requirements should indeed be available on the internet to verify.

Finally some real speed competition between 3 different competing pipelines and 3 different carriers.

Only question mark now is the entry of Verizon FIOS and for the future release of the 700mhz spectrum which could also be used by ISP's.

reply to BosstonesOwn
than. Happier than hell.

reply to LBDSL
ADSL2+ is a bondable protocol though.

There are no plans to offer any form of xDSL in a bonded option. T1's yes, xDSL no.
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Lightning Bolt Technologies

reply to batterup
Verizon has not been maintaining its Copper for several years. Preventitive maintainence went out the window with the BA/GTE merger due to "Budgetary Concerns". One of the results is that there are 5 former BA states that have not met Regulatory Body Targets for Out of Service Restoral Times for more than 2 years straight.

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