Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday in Security

Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18311643 en Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:21:55 EDT Wed, 09 Dec 2009 11:21:55 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18342522 anon : The fix just popped-up for me and seems to have curred my problem. Thanks to everyone th@ helped with this thread.

KC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18342522 Wed, 16 May 2007 02:45:21 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341977 La Luna :

said by Libra

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Thank you Argle and LaLuna for the instructions and extra information about this. I appreciate it very much.

I just went to Microsoft Updates and had no problems, but I want to mention that instead of getting the screen to pick Express or Custom, I got a notice "Update Windows to work with this website. To continue you must install the latest version of some Windows updating software designed to work with this site" (I was a little suspicious if they were going to try to install the WGA notification, but I know you have to agree to the eula, so I clicked to install the software). It downloaded and installed the software and then the screen came up to select Express or Custom. It all went well.

Thank you again.

Sincerely, Libra

I think I read they were going to push this fix out, so maybe that's what you got.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341977 Tue, 15 May 2007 23:59:02 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341911 Libra : Thank you Argle and LaLuna for the instructions and extra information about this. I appreciate it very much.

I just went to Microsoft Updates and had no problems, but I want to mention that instead of getting the screen to pick Express or Custom, I got a notice "Update Windows to work with this website. To continue you must install the latest version of some Windows updating software designed to work with this site" (I was a little suspicious if they were going to try to install the WGA notification, but I know you have to agree to the eula, so I clicked to install the software). It downloaded and installed the software and then the screen came up to select Express or Custom. It all went well.

Thank you again.

Sincerely, Libra]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341911 Tue, 15 May 2007 23:48:25 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341387 FordTractor : Appreciate the help from this thread. I have 4 desktops and 4 laptops at home (4 kids). One laptop and one desktop are seriously impacted by this situation (one XP Home and one XP Pro - both have Office 2003).

I have been fighting the problem on the laptop for over 6 months. I've reinstalled Windows XP twice and it reoccurred both times. I couldn't figure it out until the hard drive on the desktop died and I had to reinstall Windows again. During the install process, Windows Update worked fine until I upgraded to MS Update after I installed Office 2003. Then the computer slowed to a crawl and svchost ran at 100% for over 5 minutes.

Changed the laptop and desktop to Windows Update and they work fine. I'm going to be manually checking for Office Updates until I'm sure Microsoft has a solid fix.

I don't know about everyone's experience but 25% of my computers experienced this problem. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341387 Tue, 15 May 2007 22:20:18 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341068 HA Nut : A more "official" KB article on this issue...
»support.microsoft.com/kb/932494]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18341068 Tue, 15 May 2007 21:23:35 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18340168 rdhw :

said by bcool

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(1.) People configured for WindowsUpdate only aren't experiencing the original freeze up "problem?" Right or wrong?

Correct.

(2.) Are all people configured for MICROSOFT UPDATES experiencing "the problem?"

No, only a minority experience the problem. The first reports of this problem were from a year ago, but the numbers of those affected are increasing slowly. The May updates seem to have triggered a new set of sufferers.

(3.) Is it only individuals on MICROSOFT UPDATES who also have MS Office installed that experience "the problem?"

There seems to be some evidence that only MU users who have Office 2003 installed are suffering. Office XP or 2007 are not having as much trouble.
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(1.) People configured for WindowsUpdate only aren't experiencing the original freeze up "problem?" Right or wrong?
(2.) Are all people configured for MICROSOFT UPDATES experiencing "the problem?"
(3.) Is it only individuals on MICROSOFT UPDATES who also have MS Office installed that experience "the problem?"

Answer for #2 is No, there are many who do not have the issue, less than 10% for certain.
Slashman very early in the thread mentioned 4 out of 50 PCs in his office were having the issue. I have had MU ever since it was available and this was the first time I had issues. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18334989 Mon, 14 May 2007 20:58:37 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18331576 La Luna :

said by Libra

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....I'm assuming that if I have no problems at Microsoft Updates I don't have to install the new UpdateAgent, but would still like the instructions on how to force the installer.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely, Libra

That is correct. You only need to do this IF you are experiencing the problem.

Just be aware that it seems to suddenly start happening out of the blue when it's never happened before. I've been reading about this for a while, but I never had the issue until I tried to get the last round of monthly updates.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18331576 Mon, 14 May 2007 10:58:27 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18331537 bcool : and if I could seek clarification after trying to digest this plumb thread...

(1.) People configured for WindowsUpdate only aren't experiencing the original freeze up "problem?" Right or wrong?
(2.) Are all people configured for MICROSOFT UPDATES experiencing "the problem?"
(3.) Is it only individuals on MICROSOFT UPDATES who also have MS Office installed that experience "the problem?"

I'm on Windows XP SP2 configured for WindowsUpdate
Thanks.
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said by Libra

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. . "If the first of these produces an error message about "Update agent already installed", then execute the installer again manually, with parameter /wuforce as in:

WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce"

I don't know how to manually execute the installer with the /wuforce parameter. Could someone please explain to me how to do this. (In case I would need the path, I normally would download an update to C:\Security\Jan 07 Updates)

I'm assuming that if I have no problems at Microsoft Updates I don't have to install the new UpdateAgent, but would still like the instructions on how to force the installer.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely, Libra

Hello, Libra! :)

Go to the 'Run' box, browse to where you have WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe stored, select it, then add the '(space)/wuforce' command in the Run box, then hit OK.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18331504 Mon, 14 May 2007 10:41:08 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18330320 Libra : I haven't updated our XPHomesp2 computer yet but I have two questions:

Since I don't have Office installed on the computer, is it safe to assume I won't experience the problems mentioned at Microsoft Updates?

And, in case I do have problems and have to install the two patches, I saw these instructions in case the new agent won't install:

"If the first of these produces an error message about "Update agent already installed", then execute the installer again manually, with parameter /wuforce as in:

WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce"

I don't know how to manually execute the installer with the /wuforce parameter. Could someone please explain to me how to do this. (In case I would need the path, I normally would download an update to C:\Security\Jan 07 Updates)

I'm assuming that if I have no problems at Microsoft Updates I don't have to install the new UpdateAgent, but would still like the instructions on how to force the installer.

Thank you very much.

Sincerely, Libra]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18330320 Mon, 14 May 2007 01:08:49 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18330229 PrntRhd : This was just a single XP laptop and it worked. I will reserve judgment until I hear it works for 2003 servers, although prudent administrators will do patches manually.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18330229 Mon, 14 May 2007 00:38:15 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18329725 OZO : Good!
It's better be working now, when the problem gets more and more publicity :)
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said by OZO

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After installing new two packages and several reboots running "Custom" check took 3:30 min, wich is better than previous 17 min.

What I did:
1. Uninstall v2 of 927891, reboot.
2. Install v3 of 927891, reboot.
3. Install UpdateAgent v3.0, reboot.
4. Check and install latest updates, reboot.

It's better now. Thank you rdhw

I did the fix and it seems to have worked!
:D :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18329641 Sun, 13 May 2007 22:24:51 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18324111 anon : When I try to download; »download.windowsupdate.com/v7/wi···-x86.exe it starts downloading but hangs at about 1.6 MB of the 5.6 MB file. It just all of a sudden hangs. I've tried downloading in FireFox 2.0.0.3, IE 7.0.5730.11 and Opera 9.20

I don't know what else to do.
I have already installed v3 of 927891 and WindowsUpdate is still hanging up.

Thanks for any input,

KC]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18324111 Sat, 12 May 2007 17:47:59 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18323200 Jan Janowski : THANKS La Luna, and All!

You were right, the first patch did not work for my wife's computer.... the 'revised' patch did work in about a minute.
It's installing now.... I will direct a post I made in Microsoft forum to here!

Thanks very much -- I thought it might be a bug in some beta software I'm testing... I'll forward that, too!!! :)!

By the way, the system that has the problem has Office 2003.
The system that was OK, had Office 2000.
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said by Name Game

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Fix for Microsoft Automatic Updates not working
Users report continued problems with Microsoft patch, even after downloading and running new hotfix

»www.infoworld.com/article/07/05/···g_1.html

»www.computerworld.com/action/art···c=kc_top

Well, I mentioned here in one of my other posts that people were reporting that the "fix" didn't work for them, which is why I was reluctant to try it. I didn't want to further muck things up by applying a hotfix that might then have to be uninstalled somewhere down the line to try something else. The more "fixes* that don't work that you apply for a problem, the more likely that something else is going to blow down the line eventually.

The people who tried it here gave me the confidence to give it a go, and luckily, it worked for me. I suppose it's also possible that *some* (not all) people who say it didn't work did something wrong in the way they applied the hotfix.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18322541 Sat, 12 May 2007 10:30:28 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18322492 Name Game : Fix for Microsoft Automatic Updates not working
Users report continued problems with Microsoft patch, even after downloading and running new hotfix

»www.infoworld.com/article/07/05/···g_1.html

»www.computerworld.com/action/art···c=kc_top

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said by antiphishing

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Download backdoor found in Windows Update.....

Not sure what this has to do with the issues being discussed in this thread, but the trojan has to already be on the machine for it to be able to use BITS to download more malware.

»Trojan could be infecting computers through Microsoft update
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18321416 Sat, 12 May 2007 00:32:29 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18321067 tlking98 : This is what I used to fix the issue with svchost going to 100% when running automatic updates. I found it after searching on groups.google.com.
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The following assumes you're
on Windows XP but will probably work OK for Win2k as well. If you're
confident about what you're doing, then try the
following first - only if it doesn't work, then there's another level of
stuff that can be done following:

1. Stop and Disable Automatic Updates, Background Intelligent Transfer
Service and the Cryptographic Service.
2. Rename the folder %SystemRoot%\SoftwareDistribution to
%SystemRoot%\OldSoftwareDistribution
3. Open Notepad and create a file containing the following:

REGSVR32 WUAPI.DLL
REGSVR32 WUAUENG.DLL
REGSVR32 WUAUENG1.DLL
REGSVR32 ATL.DLL
REGSVR32 WUCLTUI.DLL
REGSVR32 WUPS.DLL
REGSVR32 WUPS2.DLL
REGSVR32 WUWEB.DLL

Save this file as 'Wudll.cmd' (without the quotes) to any convenient
location then exit Notepad and double click on the file you just saved. You
should get a 'Sucess' mesage for each of the .dll's listed above.

4. Now Re-enable to Automatic status and then Start each of the services
you stopped before - Automatic Updates, Background Intelligent Transfer
Service and the Cryptographic Service.

5. Now Reboot. Now Reboot Again. (Yes, twice.)

See if that solves it - give it a couple of days. If so, then you can
delete 'OldSoftwareDistribution'. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18321067 Fri, 11 May 2007 23:11:52 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18320702 antiphishing : Download backdoor found in Windows Update

No protection currently available for Bits flaw
Matt Chapman, vnunet.com 11 May 2007
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Click Here!

A security firm has warned that parts of Windows designed to download official patches and updates are being used to download malicious files.

Elia Florio, security response engineer at Symantec, said on a company blog that the Background Intelligent Transfer Service (Bits) in Windows had been used to download files to PCs infected with a Trojan.

"Using Bits to download malicious files is a clever trick because it bypasses local firewalls, as the download is performed by Windows itself and does not require suspicious actions for process injection," she said.

Florio also warned that there is currently no way to stop files being downloaded using this attack.

"At the moment there is no immediate workaround against this type of attack as it is not easy to check what Bits should download and not download," she said.

"Probably the Bits interface should be designed to be accessible only with a higher level of privilege, or the download jobs created with Bits should be restricted to only trusted URLs."

The Downloader Trojan that uses this attack was emailed out in spam messages in Germany at the end of March 2007.

Florio said that it was worth mentioning that the Bits download method is already well-documented in the underground and was posted as an "anti-firewall loader" example on a Russian forum at the end of 2006.
»www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/21897···-windows
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18320702 Fri, 11 May 2007 21:56:15 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18320533 Annmarie : This same issue came up at work on my husband's laptop - ground to a halt and took forever to get anything to run. After many hard reboots I was able to view the process in Task Manager and discovered svchost hitting the CPU at almost 100%.

I told my husband he had a virus (because he is very negligent at keeping his computer clean and secure) and will most likely get fired. ;)

Did a bit of Googling and found the solution laluna posted about.

After a few questions - honey how long has the update icon been in your systray? Oh a week now? Um - that is bad. :)

I am so embarrassed - I never even searched here before I Googled. I should have known better that you guys were all over it. I did learn a lot about different services and processes and was able to carefully remove or disable several from starting on his machine.

I told him the virus has been cleaned and he better be more careful in the future. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18320533 Fri, 11 May 2007 21:22:38 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18318148 jstone00 : I, too, was having the problem described in the first post in this thread. The fixes described in previous posts worked for me, and I've now successfully updated my machines. Thank you!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18318148 Fri, 11 May 2007 13:26:29 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18317916 nu2this : one way to fix this issue, since most people have to update to use Vista... take it a step further and update to a mac... then you don't have to worry about these issues...

and... you can also run windows on a mac...
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Thanks for the suggestions.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18317593 Fri, 11 May 2007 11:27:03 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315533 La Luna :

said by gworkman7

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So now what to do? All KBs talk about 2003 Server and XP. I have 2000 Server and I have the issue. I utilized the switch from "Microsoft Update" to "Windows Update" and my server is now performing as expected. I called Microsoft and was told I needed to provide a credit card so they can charge me $245 to speak to somebody.

So my options are no updates and eventually I'll get hit with some worm or updates and my server won't run. You'd think this company has enough money that they don't need to charge it's customers to fix issues they cause in the first place. I could understand being charged if this were my lack of ability to manage a server, but c'mon...

IMHO, you should just leave it as is, using Windows Update. A little less convenient, but better than being burned with some nasty. :huh:

If this fix didn't work for me, that's what I was going to do.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315533 Thu, 10 May 2007 22:25:42 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315427 HA Nut :

said by La Luna

:

YAY!! It seems to have worked!! Took about 2 1/2 minutes, but no freezes or anything.

Glad to hear it! :D Both you and OZO have given me the hope it will work on the PCs I need to fix.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315427 Thu, 10 May 2007 22:03:33 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315402 HA Nut :

said by gworkman7

No question that MS does not want to support it's older OS's. No profit in it. (The only thing they gain would be happy customers. ;) ) But short of going to another completely different OS, most of us will have no choice but to upgrade. :(

I'm a PC person and don't know much about servers. At this point in time, MS will still let PC owners get updates manually by using the TechNet site. »www.microsoft.com/technet/securi···may.mspx Is this an avenue you could take advantage of?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315402 Thu, 10 May 2007 22:00:06 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315398 yeti34 : This really sucks and I wish I had seen this thread before I went out and got a new HD. I thought I just had a HD going out on me and figured I just needed to replace it. I can't return it for it is used since that is what I am runnning off of now. I will try to get this update and hopee it solves the issue. I have to reread to find out what I need, for I just skimmed over everything and thought I needed to post. I did not notice it on my other PC's for I have not had them on in awhile. I love this site for info but only wished I had seen it sooner. Live and learn I guess.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315398 Thu, 10 May 2007 21:59:43 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315261 gworkman7 : So now what to do? All KBs talk about 2003 Server and XP. I have 2000 Server and I have the issue. I utilized the switch from "Microsoft Update" to "Windows Update" and my server is now performing as expected. I called Microsoft and was told I needed to provide a credit card so they can charge me $245 to speak to somebody.

So my options are no updates and eventually I'll get hit with some worm or updates and my server won't run. You'd think this company has enough money that they don't need to charge it's customers to fix issues they cause in the first place. I could understand being charged if this were my lack of ability to manage a server, but c'mon...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18315261 Thu, 10 May 2007 21:36:21 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314973 La Luna : YAY!! It seems to have worked!! Took about 2 1/2 minutes, but no freezes or anything. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314973 Thu, 10 May 2007 20:41:43 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314774 La Luna :

said by HA Nut

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Not IMO. Just means you had not yet tried to patch this bug. Makes sense since you had not been suffering from it...

Okey dokey, thanks. :)

I guess I'll install that first as OZO

did. I could have sworn I read to do it in the opposite order somewhere but maybe I'm not remembering right, I read a lot of stuff about this.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314774 Thu, 10 May 2007 20:06:22 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314773 OZO : 927891 fixes 916089, which in turn fixes 100% CPU utilization problem. So, I think it's be logical to install 927891 v3 now.
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What I did:
1. Uninstall v2 of 927891, reboot.
2. Install v3 of 927891, reboot.
3. Install UpdateAgent v3.0, reboot.
4. Check and install latest updates, reboot.

It's better now. Thank you rdhw

for the links and advice to re-install 927891 fix.

It may be the best that can be done for now, who knows. Real improvement may bring only a new SP3 package though. In this case we will not need to check / download / install more then hundred(!) latest updates (since SP2).

When it will finally come to us, bringing to the end this obvious absurd of downloading so many hotfixes separately?
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said by La Luna

:

Well, here goes nothing. I'm going for it.

Why do I feel like I'm sky diving for the first time? Is this angst necessary for updating a computer? :D

Thank goodness for ShadowProtect, True Image, Ghost, Image for DOS or whatever one uses for backup images. Worth their weight in gold sometimes...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314708 Thu, 10 May 2007 19:53:30 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314688 La Luna : Well, here goes nothing. I'm going for it.

Why do I feel like I'm sky diving for the first time? Is this angst necessary for updating a computer? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314688 Thu, 10 May 2007 19:49:52 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314563 HA Nut : I'm starting to see this bug creep up more and more. I'm hoping the new updated files will help... :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314563 Thu, 10 May 2007 19:27:38 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314413 OZO :

said by rdhw

said by OZO

:

My experience shows that two previous attempts (916089 and 927891) were unsuccessful

Thank you rdhw

!
I'll reinstall it.
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Published: 2007-05-10,
Last Updated: 2007-05-10 22:07:23 UTC
by Daniel Wesemann (Version: 1)
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Some readers reported 99% CPU eaten up by svchost.exe after they had applied the recent batch of MS updates. Cause and effect are not quite clear, but a common thread seems to be that MS recommend a look at KBID 927891
»support.microsoft.com/?kbid=927891
and some readers have also pointed us to the WSUS Blog
»blogs.technet.com/wsus/archive/2···-on.aspx
where the same issue is mentioned.
According to another ISC reader, to resolve the issue it is necessary to first apply 927891, and then to do the WU client upgrade.
»download.windowsupdate.com/v7/wi···-x86.exe
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said by OZO

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My experience shows that two previous attempts (916089 and 927891) were unsuccessful

Please be aware that 927891 was silently updated to v3 on 7th May, containing v3.1.4000.4039 of msi.dll dated 18 April 2007. The KB article has not yet caught up. It is this version you should be trying in conjunction with the new UpdateAgent30.
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said by La Luna

:

The weird thing for me is that this just *suddenly* started happening. I've had this computer for a year and a half, always getting updates with no problem, until this week. Others report having the problem months ago.

I wonder what triggers it, or what keeps it from ever triggering?

There is a noticeable difference between computer running 90% of CPU and one that require 100%. In former case you will never see it (unless you desire to watch it on purpose). In latter case computer tries to do many other things to schedule the processes, change priorities and actually may ask for "avalanche" of extra tasks needed for processing. It may drop its "effectiveness" significantly. That's the time when user begin to see the problem. We have different computers, with different processing power, running in different environment. We have dofferent number of installed fixes (and programs) too. It may explain that some folks see it, and others may not yet. There is a lot of other reasons though.
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said by mikefxu

said by La Luna

said by mikefxu

:

If this works I love you long time!

Please let us know if that works for you, I've read reports that it did nothing.

Cool beans, thanks! I might give it a try, I was just a little concerned about reports saying it didn't work and I don't want to bork anything up more than it already is! :D
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314303 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:36:30 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314291 mikefxu :

said by La Luna

said by mikefxu

:

If this works I love you long time!

Please let us know if that works for you, I've read reports that it did nothing.

It worked immediately, 5 minutes after installing those two files, WU popped up and said 8 updates to install. No maxing out processor either. I have cpu monitor on task bar and randomly svchost.exe would max out and I would kill it for the past month or so.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314291 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:33:00 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314284 La Luna : The weird thing for me is that this just *suddenly* started happening. I've had this computer for a year and a half, always getting updates with no problem, until this week. Others report having the problem months ago.

I wonder what triggers it, or what keeps it from ever triggering? ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314284 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:32:05 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314257 OZO : The problem is due to a poor memory management used in program doing update. It happens when a badly written program/module calls memory allocation / deallocation functions extremely often (querying small portions of bytes multiple times instead of taking a bigger block and properly utilizing it). Do you need an example? Assume that that there is a badly written "strings" class where concatenation of two strings done by calling a realloc function for every byte added from the second to the first string. No one will do that except a novice programmer... And it looks like the case here.

If you watch what's going on with Process Explorer you can see that most of the time CPU is running "ntdll.dll!RtlAllocateHeap+0x18c" method, which is called from "ole32.dll!StringFromGUID2+0x627". It's part of "svchost.exe -k netsvcs" process.

Obviously the program was NOT thoroughly tested. At least I'm sure that developers do not know what profiler is for... To help to solve it quicker I've even made some basic recommendations for its developers (see this post).

Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about it just to wait until the problem will be finally fixed by m$. My experience shows that two previous attempts (916089 and 927891) were unsuccessful (see this post ). Let's wait and hope that next fix will eventually help...
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said by mikefxu

:

If this works I love you long time!

Please let us know if that works for you, I've read reports that it did nothing.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314252 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:26:09 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314247 La Luna :

said by altermatt

said by La Luna

:

Trying going to Start>Windows Update (I know, I know, sounds wrong, but it's not), then click on "change settings" on the left side of the page.

Thanks, I will try that tomorrow. Just to clarify with you, though, that link is to »update.microsoft.com/microsoftup···ln=en-us . (That may be what you meant by "I know it sounds wrong :)).

Yep, Start says "Windows Updates", giving the impression that's where you're going when you are actually going to MS Updates.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314247 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:25:04 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314235 mikefxu :

said by rdhw

:

For a fix to this problem, please do BOTH of the following:

1. For 32-bit systems, download and save to hard disk, and then install:
»download.windowsupdate.com/v7/wi···-x86.exe

2. (not for Vista) Download and install update KB927891:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/927891

If the first of these produces an error message about "Update agent already installed", then execute the installer again manually, with parameter /wuforce as in:

WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe  /wuforce

After the fixes have been installed, doing a Microsoft Update or Automatic Update might still take some time (though not as much as before) and processor and disk usage, but it should not lock out user-level interaction with the system and applications, so it should not be an inconvenience.

If this works I love you long time!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314235 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:20:17 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314222 altermatt :

said by La Luna

:

Trying going to Start>Windows Update (I know, I know, sounds wrong, but it's not), then click on "change settings" on the left side of the page.

Thanks, I will try that tomorrow. Just to clarify with you, though, that link is to »update.microsoft.com/microsoftup···ln=en-us . (That may be what you meant by "I know it sounds wrong :)).
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said by slashman

:

I am having a weird issue since this Tuesday. I have several pcs that will slow down and then not launch any programs within a couple of minutes of launch. Even task manager will not come up.

So far I have been able to work around it by disabling Microsoft Automatic Updates and rebooting. Then everything is fine. I did AS and AV scan on the machines and they come up clean. Is this maybe a patch problem?

Today I had a client call with the same problem. Anyone else see this too?

Same here but only one pc out of 4 was effected ...
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said by nixen :

This happens to my laptop, periodically. One day, I'll go to unlock my PC and it's hot and frozen. I'll have to power it off and back on. A few seconds after logging in, it spikes to 100% and the damned windows update is leaking memory all over the place and eating CPU. I'll have to disable it. Eventually, I manually perform an update and Windows Update will stabilize again for a few months. Then the cycle will start all over.

The latest round started yesterday.

Sucktastic.

Try what I posted above for altermatt . It worked for me (and others I came across in my mission to find out what's going on). Just remember you have to get Office updates separately. It's not a fix, but it's a workaround for now.

I haven't disabled AU notifications, they are still set to NOTIFY only. I got one this morning for Windows Defender, updated with no CPU/hanging problem.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314163 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:06:36 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314143 La Luna :
said by altermatt :

said by La Luna :

I switched from MS Updates back to Windows Updates and then I was able to get updates with no problem. I will have to get Office Updates separately as they aren't covered in Windows Updates.

La Luna, I am one of those who have the LONG wait at MU while it's "checking for updates"; by long I mean LONG, enough to actually make lunch and eat half of it today ;). I don't have AU running until just before I go to MU, but I do go to MU on schedule. I would LOVE to use WU and OU separately if that would speed up the process. However, when I tried going to WU (windowsupdate.microsoft.com) today, it checked my Active X and redirected me to MU...I couldn't get it to just use WU.

Anyone have any suggestions for getting to WU without being redirected?

Trying going to Start>Windows Update (I know, I know, sounds wrong, but it's not), then click on "change settings" on the left side of the page. It will bring you to a page to switch to Windows Updates instead of MS Updates.

Then try to update the normal way, Start>Windows Update.

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18314143 Thu, 10 May 2007 18:03:22 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18313740 nixen : This happens to my laptop, periodically. One day, I'll go to unlock my PC and it's hot and frozen. I'll have to power it off and back on. A few seconds after logging in, it spikes to 100% and the damned windows update is leaking memory all over the place and eating CPU. I'll have to disable it. Eventually, I manually perform an update and Windows Update will stabilize again for a few months. Then the cycle will start all over.

The latest round started yesterday.

Sucktastic.
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UGH.
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said by La Luna :

I switched from MS Updates back to Windows Updates and then I was able to get updates with no problem. I will have to get Office Updates separately as they aren't covered in Windows Updates.

La Luna, I am one of those who have the LONG wait at MU while it's "checking for updates"; by long I mean LONG, enough to actually make lunch and eat half of it today ;). I don't have AU running until just before I go to MU, but I do go to MU on schedule. I would LOVE to use WU and OU separately if that would speed up the process. However, when I tried going to WU (windowsupdate.microsoft.com) today, it checked my Active X and redirected me to MU...I couldn't get it to just use WU.

Anyone have any suggestions for getting to WU without being redirected?
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I'd guess the hullabaloo is driving MS to improve the process. Note that they offer free support (including phone support) for security patches and update failures. I've used them before on server problems and no one gave me any static about charges when it was for patch/security issues :)

EDIT - add - Thanks rdhw for the links!

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18313582 Thu, 10 May 2007 16:25:08 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18313434 La Luna :
said by rdhw :

For a fix to this problem, please do BOTH of the following:

1. For 32-bit systems, download and save to hard disk, and then install:
»download.windowsupdate.com/v7/wi···-x86.exe

2. (not for Vista) Download and install update KB927891:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/927891

If the first of these produces an error message about "Update agent already installed", then execute the installer again manually, with parameter /wuforce as in:

WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce

After the fixes have been installed, doing a Microsoft Update or Automatic Update might still take some time (though not as much as before) and processor and disk usage, but it should not lock out user-level interaction with the system and applications, so it should not be an inconvenience.

If that is what's posted about in these links (just two examples), good results for this "fix" have been spotty at best:

»blogs.technet.com/wsus/archive/2···-on.aspx

»episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/for···1831/p/7

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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18313434 Thu, 10 May 2007 16:02:11 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18313387 La Luna : You're welcome! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18313387 Thu, 10 May 2007 15:53:52 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312900 JackCam614 :
said by La Luna :

.... Read the links in my last post in this thread:

»[XP Pro] Windows Update Problem

I switched from MS Updates back to Windows Updates and then I was able to get updates with no problem. I will have to get Office Updates separately as they aren't covered in Windows Updates.

Thanks La Luna,

Followed your lead and grabbed 3 High Priority updates from WU, and then went to Office Updates and pulled 5 'Required Updates'.

Many Thanks for the Heads Up.

Jack]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312900 Thu, 10 May 2007 14:32:03 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312390 DSL_Steve : I had the same problem with my wife's XP Home PC. I thought it was because I had just installed Windows Defender on her PC so I uninstalled it and rebooted. I *did* open the Task Maneger and noticed Windows update was overly active. Nice to know it has nothing to do with Defender. As an aside, my Vista PC didn't exhibit the problem.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312390 Thu, 10 May 2007 12:56:43 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312155 rdhw : For a fix to this problem, please do BOTH of the following:

1. For 32-bit systems, download and save to hard disk, and then install:
»download.windowsupdate.com/v7/wi···-x86.exe

2. (not for Vista) Download and install update KB927891:
»support.microsoft.com/kb/927891

If the first of these produces an error message about "Update agent already installed", then execute the installer again manually, with parameter /wuforce as in:

WindowsUpdateAgent30-x86.exe /wuforce

After the fixes have been installed, doing a Microsoft Update or Automatic Update might still take some time (though not as much as before) and processor and disk usage, but it should not lock out user-level interaction with the system and applications, so it should not be an inconvenience.

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IMHO -- problem is the checking for Office Updates -- BECAUSE -- the solution which worked every time was to first just go to Office updates -- let it run and install -- very quickly. Then, second to Microsoft updates and scan and identification of the remaining updates took only a few minutes -- no hang as before. Worked every time on slower machines -- down to PII-400!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312063 Thu, 10 May 2007 12:01:01 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312009 La Luna :
said by TheJoker :

There's a reason I have automatic updates turned off......

That has nothing to do with it, I had updates set to notify only, which worked fine....I always check and choose updates before installing. Some people have the problem when AU is checking for updates, others have it, like me, when they are trying to get the updates. On or off, it can still happen.

The problem suddenly started this week when I tried to get my updates with MS Updates after notification, hadn't installed any of them yet. It hung at "checking for updates". I have never had a problem with it before, ever.

This has been an ongoing problem for other people for months and months, starting a different times, it has nothing to do with any specific update.

It is obviously some issue with MS Updates itself as switching to and updating with Windows Updates works fine.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18312009 Thu, 10 May 2007 11:52:09 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311987 EGeezer : A bit OT, but for me, the performance of Windows Update seems to get worse as time goes on. I may crosslink this to the Microsoft Help forum, or maybe our office cat will move the topic.

On the one hand, it's related to security since it involves a security practice of maintaining current patches. On the other hand, it's a Microsoft application issue too, and there may be more MS people looking at it who could provide insight. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311987 Thu, 10 May 2007 11:48:28 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311946 slashman : Had two more people call me this morning with the same problem. I wonder if one of the latest updates has brought this utilization problem to light?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311946 Thu, 10 May 2007 11:41:55 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311799 EGeezer : I had the same problem on two PCs. Boot time was several minutes, clicking the "custom" button in the update site caused MS windows to become unresponsive and I was unable to end IE with task manager, having to force power off to get out.

Using Process Explorer, I found svchost.exe with wuauclt.exe was the culprit, running at 90+%. When I disabled the Automatic updates service, the symptoms disappeared. When I re-enabled it, the symptoms reappeared. Only after I'd gotten all the available updates installed from the "automatic updates" did the problem subside. I wasted better than an hour and a half screwing with this mess on my laptop, which was current as of last month's patches. the unfortunate fact is that the service needs to be set to auto and running to even check Windows update - at least that's what the site message returned when I tried to check for updates.

I've since turned off notification and stopped the automatic update service and changed it to manual. When I hear of patches, I'll reconfigure it to auto and start it. I just can't afford to have my laptop sucking canal water while I'm trying to support a customer.

I don't necessarily recommend this for other folks, only if they want to deal with externally monitoring for updates and configuring the service rather than deal with performance issues if they encounter them as I did.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311799 Thu, 10 May 2007 11:06:23 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311797 TheJoker : There's a reason I have automatic updates turned off. I do install them promptly, but not until I have imaged the system first. And not just for the updates, I won't do any install until I have imaged first. Twenty minutes to do the backup is nothing compared to "Oh my god, what do I do now?"
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Maybe the issue was there all along and just coincided with this latest patch Tuesday downloads.

Interesting that I have 50+ PCs configured similiarly (MS Update with download only) and only 4 have had issues.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311733 Thu, 10 May 2007 10:51:44 EDT Re: Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311683 La Luna : Does the CPU spike up to 100%? That is what's causing the problem. Although it seems like it, it probably isn't directly related to this weeks updates, people have been having this issue, or a similar variation of it, for months and months. Mine just started this week when I tried to get the updates. MS Updates froze, no task manager, no nothing. Only rebooting with the power button helped. Others have the problem when MS AU checks for updates, like you. MS is aware of the issue and has put out a hotfix or two with varying degrees of success, mostly no good. Read the links in my last post in this thread:

»[XP Pro] Windows Update Problem

I switched from MS Updates back to Windows Updates and then I was able to get updates with no problem. I will have to get Office Updates separately as they aren't covered in Windows Updates.
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311683 Thu, 10 May 2007 10:39:16 EDT Problem with Automatic Update since Tuesday http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311643 slashman : I am having a weird issue since this Tuesday. I have several pcs that will slow down and then not launch any programs within a couple of minutes of launch. Even task manager will not come up.

So far I have been able to work around it by disabling Microsoft Automatic Updates and rebooting. Then everything is fine. I did AS and AV scan on the machines and they come up clean. Is this maybe a patch problem?

Today I had a client call with the same problem. Anyone else see this too?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18311643 Thu, 10 May 2007 10:29:28 EDT