 ShamayimI already have a Messiah.Premium
join:2002-09-23 | This country needs MORE whistleblowers They are America's unsung heroes. |
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| I call him a traitor.
Charge him with treason for tipping off the enemy and have him face a firing squad. |
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 BuriedCaesarIt's Not Polite To Stare.
join:2004-03-27
Richardson, TX | said by ninjatutle:I call him a traitor. Charge him with treason for tipping off the enemy and have him face a firing squad. Sure glad you're not in charge...
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said by ninjatutle:I call him a traitor. Charge him with treason for tipping off the enemy and have him face a firing squad. You can't be serious. Did he call an Al Qaeda operative and tell them about the secret government program? If you're going to call him a traitor, then you might as well call the media traitors also for running his story. After all, without them, he wouldn't have been able to "tip off" any enemies of the US. And to ensure that it won't happen again, why don't we require that all media stories be approved by the Department of Homeland Security (or some other high-level federal government division)?
I would call him a patriot of the highest order. Remember that this country was founded by people willing to overthrow an oppressive regime. He saw his government engaging in what he viewed as illegal activity and so he reported it. By doing so, he put his life and career on the line, but to keep quiet would have been to allow the illegal activity to continue. Publicizing illegal government activities is about the only way we have to keep our government honest.
And don't immediately assume that the government calling it "National Security" makes it ok for them to keep it secret. While there are legitimate items that should be kept quiet for the sake of National Security, the "National Security" label these days seems to all too often mean "it would really embarrass us and possibly open us up to legal problems if this stuff got out."
And no, I don't just mean this to be an attack against the Bush Administration. I have no illusions that a Democrat Presidency wouldn't take similar actions. My view is that all politicians should be regarded as corrupt until they prove otherwise. |
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Rule of Law certainly doesn't rate high with you, does it? |
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Mount Airy, MD | reply to BuriedCaesar
said by BuriedCaesar:said by ninjatutle:I call him a traitor. Charge him with treason for tipping off the enemy and have him face a firing squad. Sure glad you're not in charge... Heh... you should see how George Washington and Abraham Lincoln dealt with traitors. Modern day traitors walk off scot-free in comparison.
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 mech1164I'll Be Back
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said by Jason Levine:said by ninjatutle:I call him a traitor. Charge him with treason for tipping off the enemy and have him face a firing squad. You can't be serious. Did he call an Al Qaeda operative and tell them about the secret government program? If you're going to call him a traitor, then you might as well call the media traitors also for running his story. Finally someone who calls them what they are. It's a small wonder we haven't been hit more. Considering this and all the other was we have tried to thwart them. (Remember the SWIFT tracking that blew up after it was their GD given right to expose it). On and on just wait till past 2009 and all this gets taken down. BOOM!!! Then who do we have to blame.  |
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BuriedCaesarIt's Not Polite To Stare.
join:2004-03-27
Richardson, TX | reply to Jason Levine
said by Jason Levine: My view is that all politicians should be regarded as corrupt until they prove otherwise. So, for politicians it's "guilty until proven innocent" but only if it's concerning corruption?
That kinda shot a tank-sized hole in your entire argument.
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Maybe you should read my post a bit closer. I wasn't being serious when I posted "you might as well call the media traitors also for running his story", but was rather trying to figure out how far ninjatutle wanted to take his argument.
I think that having the media there to help keep the government in check (no matter who is in power), is a good thing. |
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said by BuriedCaesar:said by Jason Levine: My view is that all politicians should be regarded as corrupt until they prove otherwise. So, for politicians it's "guilty until proven innocent" but only if it's concerning corruption? That kinda shot a tank-sized hole in your entire argument. Not really. I didn't mean that politicians should be "guilty until proven innocent" in the legal sense. Instead, I meant that, when considering how much power to grant to a politician/governmental institution, you should automatically assume that the power will be abused and put measures in place to counter this abuse. Anyone that assumes that the government would only wield power in ways that are in their citizens' best interests is naive. That's why we have the system of checks and balances written into our Constitution. The founding fathers didn't trust the government either and they were forming it themselves! |
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| said by Jason Levine:Not really. I didn't mean that politicians should be "guilty until proven innocent" in the legal sense. Instead, I meant that, when considering how much power to grant to a politician/governmental institution, you should automatically assume that the power will be abused and put measures in place to counter this abuse. Anyone that assumes that the government would only wield power in ways that are in their citizens' best interests is naive. That's why we have the system of checks and balances written into our Constitution. The founding fathers didn't trust the government either and they were forming it themselves! Nice to see the voice of reason hasn't been drowned in the swelling tide of ignorance awash on DSLR/BBR. Thanks for the calm responses to these faux-patriot dupes who would trade their freedom for a chance to sing harmony in a patriotic ditty... |
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| said by ninjatutle:This is coming from people who ware tin foil hats You, in particular, are one whose myopic fixations are rarely disturbed by fact, or reason.
BTW, it's wear, not ware, nor where... |
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| Yes, lets applaud this guy and others for giving away/exposing military & national secrets to the enemies.
Lets erect a monument to the unsung "govt whistleblowers" aka spies. We should stick this monument right next to the VietNam war memorial in DC. |
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BuriedCaesarIt's Not Polite To Stare.
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Richardson, TX | reply to Jason Levine
said by Jason Levine: I didn't mean that politicians should be "guilty until proven innocent" in the legal sense. Instead, I meant that, when considering how much power to grant to a politician/governmental institution, you should automatically assume that the power will be abused and put measures in place to counter this abuse. Anyone that assumes that the government would only wield power in ways that are in their citizens' best interests is naive. That's why we have the system of checks and balances written into our Constitution. The founding fathers didn't trust the government either and they were forming it themselves! Thanks for the additional clarification - the way you said it the first time wasn't that clear, and easily misinterpreted (at least by me). Given the better explanation, I wholeheartedly agree.
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said by ninjatutle:Yes, lets applaud this guy and others for giving away/exposing military & national secrets to the enemies. Lets erect a monument to the unsung "govt whistleblowers" aka spies. We should stick this monument right next to the VietNam war memorial in DC. God Damn, it smells fishy in here!!! Got any more stanky "red herring" you care to drag to the grill?
As for a monument to whistleblowers, I'm in favor! Next to the Vietnam Memorial is as good a place as any to build it. It's about time that whistleblowers were appreciated for the sacrifices they have made in defending our liberty! It's a damn shame there aren't more of them. If there were, Bush and his minions would have had NO CHANCE to pull the wool over the eyes of dullards like yourself. |
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