majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY
1 edit | hmm
Yes 400 down and up So cablevision can use the narad technology to give 1gig up and down links to each house via fiber.
Anyway technically so can comcast by bonding channels.
That seemed like a dont forget about us comment from verizon.
Also he stated the onts are capable of 400Mbs not what speeds they can produce without affecting the other people on that node.
Can you atleast report the story right. |
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
| 400Mbs, waaay past individual human info capacity
Excluding archiving / backups / library purposes, there ain't no human brain that can usefully handle 400 Mbps for very long.
Verizon should up their bitwise connect speed to 100 Mbps - max. out today's typical LAN data rate.
Users would get a burst of 100 Mbps, followed by a long pause, as the brain ponders the new input.
Wouldn't make a whole lot of difference in the *aggregate* bandwidth *per person* consumed, over time.
Leastwise not until we get to 3D holodecks.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Or more than one computer... oh. |
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Jerm
join:2000-04-10
Richland, WA
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I think they got it right...
Note the channel bonding notice at the bottom.
If you consider 2.4Gbit to 32 people @ 400mbit each on Fios theoretically that is an oversell ratio of 5.333(repeating of course).
What I think most people don't understand is this would be perfectly acceptable. That's actually a pretty low oversell ratio for residential service.
Think about this: Those of you getting 10-16mbit speeds on DOCSIS modems today remember you only have 38mbit shared between you and 30-300 friends (probably closer to the smaller number in this case). You don't even want to know the ratio on that.
And to talk a little more about the bonding - considering ~150mbps per channel for DOCSIS 3 that means they'd have to bond 16 channels to match Fios bandwidth (2.4Gbit) - all for only 32-64 customers. I don't think cable will ever put only 2-4 customers per channel.
When you compare Fios to cable, any way you cut it Fios comes out on top, until cable actually starts running fiber to your door also  |
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | Yes but the article states he said the ont is capable of 400Mbps. EH did not say the node or anything Like that.
Thats what I am saying. The article doesnt state what the max of the service is. It only states what the Ont can handle. |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
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Why do they have to run fiber to your door? If they get fiber to your block, there's a lot of bandwidth in the ole coax. Hell, if the telcos had fiber to your block, there's a lot of bandwidth in copper if it only has to carry a signal 1,000 feet. Imagine how much bandwidth is in coax if it only has to travel 1,000 feet? |
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NYC Girl
Premium
join:2007-02-04
Bronx, NY
 ·Optimum Online
 ·Optimum Voice
| reply to majortom1029
Re: hmm
Are they for real????? Will Comcast now say they can produce 800megs????   |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000
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The marketing monkeys will make it faster! "Twice as fast as FIOS (compared to 200Mb FIOS)"
I just can't see anyone NEEDING 400Mbps any time soon to their home. Heck even 100Mbps. At that they could start saying you are getting 1Gb but were exactly are you going to go to confirm you are always getting 1Gb?
Not that I would refuse it or try and use it up, but what exactly is the average home user going to do with 100Mb connection to the web? |
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MysticGogeta
The Robot Devil
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join:2005-03-14
League City, TX
clubs: | reply to Ahrenl
Re: 400Mbs, waaay past individual human info capacity
Like if you have what in a average home taking a guess 2-3 computers? Thats still to much. In my house we run 3 computers on 5/384 and do just fine.
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cdru
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
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Re: I think they got it right...
said by majortom1029  :Thats what I am saying. The article doesnt state what the max of the service is. It only states what the Ont can handle. By definition of a GPON network, the ONT HAS to be able to handle 2.4 gbits. Existing BPON ONTS must handle 622 mbits.
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majortom1029
join:2006-10-19
Lindenhurst, NY | The article states though that the onts have a max of 400 though.
So if this guy is wrong then we cant trust this article then. |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| said by majortom1029 :The article states though that the onts have a max of 400 though. So if this guy is wrong then we cant trust this article then. I saw that too (I actually read the article after I posted that). I can guarantee you that on the fiber side of the ONT, they are seeing faster then 400mbits. BPON it self is rated at 622mbits download. Every ONT within a node sees all data, and filters it as appropriately based on the address of the ONT. Traffic destined for that ONT is let through while traffic destined for other machines is dropped. GPON works similar, just at faster rates.
There may be a limitation within the spec though that artificially restricts it down to 400mbits, but that sounds like an awfully round number to be a hard limit for what can be spit out the other end of the ONT.
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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Re: 400Mbs, waaay past individual human info capacity
said by nekote :Excluding archiving / backups / library purposes, there ain't no human brain that can usefully handle 400 Mbps for very long. Verizon should up their bitwise connect speed to 100 Mbps - max. out today's typical LAN data rate. Users would get a burst of 100 Mbps, followed by a long pause, as the brain ponders the new input. Wouldn't make a whole lot of difference in the *aggregate* bandwidth *per person* consumed, over time. Leastwise not until we get to 3D holodecks. RAID fed P2P. Nuff said. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY | reply to battleop
Re: hmm
Download HD DVDs (legit or not), and RAID fed P2P. |
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battleop
join:2005-09-28
00000 | No, that something the average BBR user would do. |
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nekote
join:2000-12-16
Hopkinton, MA
| reply to cdru
622Mb to ONT; ? Mb to CAT5e for LAN
First - multiple computers / people.
Of course.
Multi-users either gotta' share a single connection's bandwidth.
Or get individual connections / fibers, for full bandwidth.
The ONT may well be sending and receiving at 622Mbps or 2.4Gbps.
But what aggregate speed is given to the user's "LAN" side for the user's Internet access?
I argue for maximum LAN bps to minimize the real time needed to complete data transfers. Aggregate data transfer remains more or less fixed, even at a gazillion bps, when the data is being processed by the human brain. (Again, obviously, not for pure data file downloading / archiving / library building / ...)
Above some Mbps, the brain becomes the slowest network link in the information processing chain.
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
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Re: 400Mbs, waaay past individual human info capacity
They wouldn't if each was trying to stream multiple HD feeds. In fact if they each tried to stream 1 there would be a huge problem.
Each family member over the age of 10 should have a computer IMO. You're doing a dis-service to your childs future employability if they don't have regular access to a computer. I guess if YOU want to be computer illiterate and just have your child on your computer all the time, so be it.. |
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fiostv2
join:2007-05-15
Irving, TX
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Re: 400Mbs, waaay past individual human info capacity
This is why you may need atleast 200 MBPS:
5 HDTVs @ home, capable of recording 4 HD channels at the same time. Thats 20 HD channels peak load coming into the home. If you want good picture quality, each stream better be at 10 MPBS, MPEG4. Thats 200 MBPS gone right there for TV. |
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ITALIAN926
join:2003-08-16
Stratford, CT
| reply to majortom1029
Re: I think they got it right...
Right now FiOS is 622 Mbps... Of course that'll be for one customer
In 5 or 10 years, todays speeds will be a be a joke and we'll look back and remember how fast we used to think it was. |
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