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JTRockville
Data Ho
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join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD

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reply to funchords

Re: Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections

Looks like funchords See Profile is famous! Here's a good write-up of the issue:
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_···nation_2
(By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer)


dfxmatt

join:2007-08-21
Evanston, IL

I let funchords know as well I'm curious as to whether they have done recent testing or not, I am suspicious of it going on but it doesn't seem to be 100% disconnects anymore, I wonder if bittorrent has an option of "do not use encrypted transmissions" because that would affect the tracking of sandvine if so. I know you can do the opposite but I might want to track unecrypted.



MysticGogeta
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League City, TX
reply to funchords

Its odd even with the article that I'm still not being managed I think they will do this in Houston eventually but for now I havn't noticed any difference from TWC in torrent seeding.
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Grethor
Today Is A Good Day To Format

join:2004-04-14
Tacoma, WA
reply to funchords

I will try this. Thanks.



FairTriplePlay

@comcast.net
reply to funchords

Finally!!!! Way to go funchords!

Well now that the cat IS out of the bag CC HAS to address the issue..how? I don't know..will be very interesting to see how they decide to handle this. Perpetuate the deception or come clean?
Bet the CC board room and PR dept are seeing some action..lol



DragracerArt

@covad.net
reply to funchords

So... In a nutshell... this is why my pictures I uploaded to my comcast online storage, won't show up when I hotlink them on a webpage ?

I use this for avatars, sig pics, etc...

If I'm being actively blocked by Comcast, this sort of makes me want to cancel my service.


robertfl
Premium
join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL

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Another article:

URL: »www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21376597/

If the Internet is good for just reading e-mail and surfing, I can do that on a disl up. Why spend $56 dollars just to have blocked ports.

I say it's time to stop buying cd's people as this is about CONTROL. and it's damn stupid.

-Rob



FairTriplePlay

@comcast.net
reply to funchords

EFF is on the case as well....this is getting good. (Insert evil grim here..)

»www.eff.org/deeplinks/2007/10/ef···nterfere



espaeth
Digital Plumber
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reply to robertfl

It has nothing to do with blocking ports. It is pruning connections to throttle the traffic generated by P2P apps. It's not closing all connections.


julyccc
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join:2004-11-09
reply to funchords

Comcast is using what the chinese are using for internet censorship.



elvey
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reply to JTRockville

said by JTRockville:

Looks like funchords See Profile is famous! Here's a good write-up of the issue:
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_···nation_2
(By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer)
The picture is of me, but yup, kudos to funchords and Peter Svensson. My phone is ringing off the hook - Fox news, Wayne Freedman ABC/KGO-TV...

Unfortunately, the article makes it seem I'm not a supporter of net neutrality. I strongly support it. I just think ISPs need to be able to police spammers. Still a good article though!
--
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Organized Crime Syndicate. Also see TURN.org or UCAN.


NormanS
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said by elvey:

Unfortunately, the article makes it seem I'm not a supporter of net neutrality. I strongly support it.
Excuse me for asking a stupid question, but just what does "Net Neutrality" have to do with throttling P2P applications? The concept of "Net Neutrality" arose when SBC CEO Ed Whitacre raised the spectre of charging content providers for the traffic borne by SBC as a consequence of SBC customer requests. What Mr. Whitacre wanted amounted to "double dipping": Collecting fees from his customers for their access to the Internet and collecting fees from the information providers (Google, MSN, etc.) for providing information to those SBC customers requesting it. I was under the impression that "Net Neutrality" was opposed to this "double dipping" concept.
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~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


FairTriplePlay

@comcast.net
reply to funchords

I believe net neutrality means all net traffic treated the same regardless nature, origin or destination...hope I'm close..lol



Cabal
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said by FairTriplePlay :

I believe net neutrality means all net traffic treated the same regardless nature, origin or destination...hope I'm close..lol
It doesn't, and that's an unfortunate and terrible misunderstanding that is popular these days. Net neutrality refers to not prioritizing traffic from one location to another, based on the endpoints (and who pays the most cash to backbones for their site). It does NOT refer to protocol-based traffic shaping, independent of origin/destination, which network operators should be free to continue to do and manage their networks as they see fit.

No, I don't consider Sandvine's man-in-the-middle attacks to be legitimate traffic shaping, but there are a lot less intrusive methods out there.
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Packrat33

@comcast.net
reply to MysticGogeta

Okay, but it seems I cannot get a connection with any peers either on Utorrent. Only thing I use Utorrent for (used to use Azureus till it got all crappy) is to download Linux Distros, but now can't even download those.



elvey
Spamassassin

join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA
reply to funchords

TV coverage.

If you're in the bay area, tune into channel 2 and/or channel 7.
Channel 7 at 6PM PDT.

I'll post links to the online versions if I can.


crucialcolin

join:2004-09-12
Roseville, CA

good too see this stuff is finally starting to hit the mainstream media. Now hopefully this will put pressure on Comcast to do something about it.



JTRockville
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reply to elvey

Re: Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections

said by elvey:

said by JTRockville:

Looks like funchords See Profile is famous! Here's a good write-up of the issue:
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_···nation_2
(By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer)
The picture is of me, but yup, kudos to funchords and Peter Svensson. My phone is ringing off the hook - Fox news, Wayne Freedman ABC/KGO-TV...

...
Wow, two famous BBR members! Good luck on your TV interviews. I hope you find links to share.

Oh, btw, here's a google-hosted version of the AP article with even more pics of you!!
»ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gxRi···8SCGPQO0

And another good article about the issue from your neighbor (also in SF) Farhad Manjoo, but the pic he used isn't as attractive as yours:
»machinist.salon.com/blog/2007/10/19/comcast/


EG
The wings of love
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Union, NJ
kudos:9
reply to elvey

Watch out for the Papparazzi, or even worse, possible reprisals ...



skmt

@comcast.net
reply to funchords

I don't understand why some people keep saying that this has nothing to do with Net Neutrality. To be sure, this is unrelated to the original issue of charging content providers a premium to ensure unfettered access to their content. Instead it's just another example demonstrating that we need to expand our concept of Net Neutrality.

There are those that seem to have an interest in erecting walls between us, claiming that they are protecting the rights of the majority from abuse by a dangerous minority. But it's not the majority that decides what's supposedly best for everyone--therein lies the rub. An even smaller minority of stuffed suits looking after their portfolios are the ones creating an artificial "us-versus-them" mentality.

That might be fine and well for those that play by their rules, until they start changing to rules to suit the thickness of their wallets.



elvey
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reply to crucialcolin

Re: TV coverage.

The media coverage was < sarcasm> impeccable as usual < /sarcasm> »www.ktvu.com/video/14382117/index.html

»abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio···=5716714

The purpose of non-net-neutrality is to fix the problem of commodity Internet being a business market that is too competitive for the big players to make money hand over giant excavator shovelful.

PS The movie I was trying to BitTorrent was "INFEST WISELY".



elvey
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reply to EG

Re: Comcast is using Sandvine to manage P2P Connections

said by EG:

Watch out for the Papparazzi, or even worse, possible reprisals ...
My address is quite hard to find. But reporter Pattie Lee got a hold of my cellphone #, I'm not sure how. Being a spamfigher (and some of the mobsters involved are quite scary) I try to be hard to find.
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Organized Crime Syndicate. Also see TURN.org or UCAN.


EG
The wings of love
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Maybe you should have worn one of those George Bush masks when those vids were shot ?



pflog
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El Dorado Hills, CA
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reply to elvey

That video shows two people with your name. Which are you? heh
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EG
The wings of love
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Seth Shoen ??



FairTriplePlay

@comcast.net
reply to funchords

A class action suite...actually feasible if you can get the EFF to back you 100% imo. Nice work fellas!!



NormanS
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reply to skmt

said by skmt :

I don't understand why some people keep saying that this has nothing to do with Net Neutrality. To be sure, this is unrelated to the original issue of charging content providers a premium to ensure unfettered access to their content. Instead it's just another example demonstrating that we need to expand our concept of Net Neutrality.
I suppose you would advocate free food and housing for all? "Food and housing neutrality" should be more important than expanded "net neutrality". I can live without fansub anime, but I need to eat, and a place to set up my computer to watch all of that anime.

Sorry for the hyperbole; but your next paragraph is also full of it.
There are those that seem to have an interest in erecting walls between us, claiming that they are protecting the rights of the majority from abuse by a dangerous minority. But it's not the majority that decides what's supposedly best for everyone--therein lies the rub. An even smaller minority of stuffed suits looking after their portfolios are the ones creating an artificial "us-versus-them" mentality.
Somebody has to pay for the bandwidth. WRT making Google pay for data I request; AT&T should set a price commensurate with the data I am pulling through their pipes. At the same time, they have the obligation to ensure that my data access does not disrupt my neighbors.
That might be fine and well for those that play by their rules, until they start changing to rules to suit the thickness of their wallets.
They are not being as arbitrary as you think. So far, of all the Comcast users I personally know, none are adversely affected by Sandvine. Only a vociferous few of all the posters in this forum are speaking up.

I agree that there ought to be a better way for Comcast to handle this issue. But it isn't affecting access to most data. Only that moved by P2P applications. And it isn't wholly blocked. BT appears to work until the file is completely downloaded. It is the seeding which is problematic.
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


NormanS
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reply to FairTriplePlay

said by FairTriplePlay :

A class action suite...actually feasible if you can get the EFF to back you 100% imo. Nice work fellas!!
I thought that a civil suit needed to show some actual tort (damage) caused by the defendant against the plaintiff?
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Norman
~Oh Lord, why have you come
~To Konnyu, with the Lion and the Drum


jig

join:2001-01-05
Hacienda Heights, CA

damage is an element of a properly pleaded tort, but a tort is really about conduct, the tortuous conduct of the defendant.



EnasYorl
Thieves World

join:2001-12-02
West
reply to JTRockville

said by JTRockville:

Looks like funchords See Profile is famous! Here's a good write-up of the issue:
»news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071019/ap_···nation_2
(By PETER SVENSSON, AP Technology Writer)
Nice picture of technology »www.sandvine.com/products/p2p_element.asp