sauce
join:2003-06-14
New York, NY
1 edit | What the hell is going on in Brooklyn? FIOS protest? I noticed a few changes around my block. There is a new pole installed 2 blocks west, and the street/sidewalk in front of my house has been marked with spraypaint. I didn't think anything of it until the police activity and News 12 trucks came rolling by today. The neighbors got to talking and it seems Verizon struck a deal with the city to install new poles and run cables outside peoples houses. In this neighborhood, we run cables BEHIND the houses, but Verizon convinced the city the existing 100-year old poles won't work with FIOS. The neighborhood civic association is flipping out, and one guy even laid down in front of his house in protest. That was why the police were here. Crazy! At least I know FIOS is coming!
This is Marine Park, Brooklyn
News related links:
»www.brooklynpaper.com/stories/30···nes.html
»www.kingscourier.net/site/tab2.c···48&rfi=6 |
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 Rattler
join:2001-04-13
Havertown, PA | Heh! 
Don't be too sure about "FiOS is coming". If enough bodies litter the street, VZN may say, "Screw it!" (Hopefully, I'm just kidding  )
I'm gonna be real bad here - on 2nd thought, no I'm not, don't want to get "moderated" like Imus... 
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sauce
join:2003-06-14
New York, NY | reply to sauce
News article about what happened in my neighborhood today:
»www.news12.com/BK/topstories/art···d=194480 |
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 TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro | reply to sauce
It's wrong they're putting in new poles in front of homes when there is perfectly good poles BEHIND homes. If it is ruining the neighborhood image, they should protest it.
-Tzale
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WETASS
join:2005-05-24
Pacoima, CA | Well your block doesn't want fios, i say verizon says screw it, and installs their service where people want it installed. |
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TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
join:2004-01-06
NYC Metro | said by WETASS:Well your block doesn't want fios, i say verizon says screw it, and installs their service where people want it installed. It's a SERVICE for Verizon to make a PROFIT. They are not doing us a favor by destroying a neighborhood. Yes, we are all geeks here and want FIOS A LOT, but the truth is that ten years from now no one will care about FIOS since it will be everywhere. So right now you might be dieing for it, but if they start lowering the look of the neighborhood then that is something that will stay with it for decades.
-Tzale
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sauce
join:2003-06-14
New York, NY | reply to sauce
Seriously, if Verizon fucks up the look of the neighborhood by running wires all over the place, the value of our homes will decrease. Who wants that? I think that people would instantly choose no FIOS if that were the case. Imagine 20, 30, 50 years down the line when the city starts leasing space on the poles to run additional comm lines. The front of my house may look like cats-in-the-cradle when it used to be a beautiful tree lined street. |
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| thats terrible. i live about 10 mins from marine park and i have poles in the front(power and cable) and the back(phone). i wouldnt mind them hoppin right on over here...
question: the poles in the back of the houses are located INSIDE peoples backyards and there is absolutely no way to get to them unless you enter peoples backyards, does verizon reserve the right to do this? |
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| It's called right of way (or something similair). It allows public utilities and entities that the local commision allows, to run service lines (power, comm, sewage, water, etc) right through your property, with little discourse for the home owner. |
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 cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
kudos:5
 ·Frontier FiOS
| said by jvanbrecht:It's called right of way (or something similair). It allows public utilities and entities that the local commision allows, to run service lines (power, comm, sewage, water, etc) right through your property, with little discourse for the home owner. It's called a utility easement. In a urban and suburban setting, there is almost always a utility easement along the front and back edges of a property, and sometimes in the middle. The homeowner owns the land, but they are forbidden from restricting access. Also any structure (such as a fence) or landscaping may be subject to damage if it interferes with a utility servicing the line.
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JPLPremium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:1 | reply to anonny
said by anonny :
question: the poles in the back of the houses are located INSIDE peoples backyards and there is absolutely no way to get to them unless you enter peoples backyards, does verizon reserve the right to do this?
I can't see that as being an issue. Granted, I don't live in Brooklyn, but my pole is smack dab in the back corner of my backyard (feeds out to me and my neighbor, and is on the line between our two properties). Verizon or PECO (the power company) don't hesitate to come into my back yard to do work on that pole. My fios runs from that pole. I also can't see Verizon spending the money to put up new poles unless it were necessary to run the fiber. Not saying destroying the look of a neighborhood is justified - but I don't see how putting up new poles is something that Verizon would desire to do, unless they were forced to (meaning that the old poles weren't adequate for some reason). |
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JPLPremium
join:2007-04-04
Downingtown, PA
kudos:1 | reply to cdru
said by cdru:said by jvanbrecht:It's called right of way (or something similair). It allows public utilities and entities that the local commision allows, to run service lines (power, comm, sewage, water, etc) right through your property, with little discourse for the home owner. It's called a utility easement. In a urban and suburban setting, there is almost always a utility easement along the front and back edges of a property, and sometimes in the middle. The homeowner owns the land, but they are forbidden from restricting access. Also any structure (such as a fence) or landscaping may be subject to damage if it interferes with a utility servicing the line. Yep - that's exactly right. We have to ensure that the utility companies are able to get full access to the pole. We have an 8-foot fence around the entire back of our property, so we have to ensure that the gates aren't locked, e.g., when no one is home (so they can get in). And these companies don't give us a heads-up when they're coming. They'll come out, e.g., to trim the trees over the power lines to avoid future problems. |
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Dusti
join:2004-07-12
New York, NY
1 edit | reply to sauce
Fios markings on sidewalk / street, pole installed |
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join:2006-01-17
West Chester, PA
·Verizon FiOS
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| Well, they could always dig up your yard and bury everything like they did in my front yard. But then again, do you want them rupturing a gas main in front of your house, and blowing up half of the neighborhood???
Public rights of way, right of eminent domain, it sucks but it could always be worse.
Do I smell gas? |
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I find it odd they are going to be putting in the poles along the street where there are tons of trees. I think it would have been easier to use the existing poles in the backyard. Now one has to wonder how many branches/limbs are going to come down after the poles are in place to protect the fiber from a large limb landing on the line.
Dusti, do you have a pole in your backyard or is there one next to your neighbor's lot? If so, can you take a pic, I'd like to see why they are wasting $$ on putting in new poles just for the fiber. Thanks. |
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carmas
join:2003-07-31
Floral Park, NY
1 edit | reply to sauce
I can't follow VZ's logic on this. We have all utilities behind the houses in my area on 1945 era poles and VZ just drilled a bracket under Cablevision's lines and ran the fiber.
When you think about it, fiber stuff is pretty light, so I can't see the reasoning about "100 year old poles".
Only other reasoning for newer poles is to mount the fiber cabinets, but they would only need one every few blocks.
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sauce
join:2003-06-14
New York, NY | reply to sauce
Yes, all utilities are run on poles behind the house. Attached houses have a community driveway behind them, which is where the utility poles are located. The trucks roll behind there to do work. Blocks with detached houses, which I'm unfamiliar with, have the poles accessible through driveways. I don't know the legality of accessing them through peoples private property. Whatever the method is, its obviously been working for decades. |
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carmas
join:2003-07-31
Floral Park, NY | >>>>I don't know the legality of accessing them through peoples private property. Whatever the method is, its obviously been working for decades.
Public utilities running through private properties have an easement that allows them unrestricted access for repair/improvement.
Drew |
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i have utilities poles behind my house and verizon ran some wires last year, summer 2006, and i'm wondering why is it taking so long to make it live? my backyard is private and my houses are connected. someone up the block on the opposite side of the street has fios already since march 2007. hopefully i will get fios by the summer if not the end of this year but wtf is taking so long? seriously! i'm like 500 feet from that house!!!!! maybe if i can hack that person's router.... nah. |
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