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 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | 9-1-1 issues aren't limited to Comcast. Many VOIP providers have had issues including Vonage. |
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 NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA | True but I agree with what you said earlier. If its not reliable then they should not be able to call it 911. |
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It is the new trend, cablecos want to be telcos, telcos want to be cablecos, munis want to be ISPs, ISPs want to be content providers, RIAA, MPAA and AT&T want to be FBI, FBI wants to be in charge of the ISPs.
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What the problem really is that they are n00bs when it comes to telephony. The fly by night VOIP co's, Comcast, etc. They don't have the know how, the experience when it comes to 9-1-1 and other things that are established with POTS. |
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 KoolMoeAw ManPremium
join:2001-02-14
Annapolis, MD | The problem with that is, when you order FIOS, VZ tears out POTS copper. Then they have a disclaimer somewhere that says 911 may not be reliable over their FIOS service.
WTF?
Then why did you rip out my copper?
I still have a copper line as I have DSL service through a third-party, so they couldn't take it down (though surely they would have if I didn't make that clear). But it's a dry loop, so no dialtone. So our 911 is apparently no longer reliable due to the FIOS phone service we have, which was certainly not made clear during the ordering process.
Considering it's apparent VZ will eventually force every into FIOS someday, I sure hope they get this worked out - and perhaps the state gov'ts need to get involved NOW.
KM
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 MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to MZR
ROFL, I think you hit it on the head! |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to KoolMoe
You can request they not remove your copper wiring on installation and they won't.. good FUD though. |
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | That is not true. When I called about FiOS, I was not given that option unless I had a 2nd phone line (which they would leave copper) or the primary line had a non-Verizon local provider. |
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said by KoolMoe:The problem with that is, when you order FIOS, VZ tears out POTS copper. Then they have a disclaimer somewhere that says 911 may not be reliable over their FIOS service. WTF? Then why did you rip out my copper? I still have a copper line as I have DSL service through a third-party, so they couldn't take it down (though surely they would have if I didn't make that clear). But it's a dry loop, so no dialtone. So our 911 is apparently no longer reliable due to the FIOS phone service we have, which was certainly not made clear during the ordering process. Considering it's apparent VZ will eventually force every into FIOS someday, I sure hope they get this worked out - and perhaps the state gov'ts need to get involved NOW. KM Your signature says "Don't Lie", but that exactly what you just did. Either that or you're just talking telphony out of your as..lack of knowledge. FIOS phone isn't voice over IP. It works the same as traditional phone service except voice is digital instead of analog, and no power is being provided from the CO. Verizon FIOS phone and Voicewing are not the same thing. Somehow I doubt you have Verizon, and you picked a spot to come out bashing. |
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said by Ahrenl:You can request they not remove your copper wiring on installation and they won't.. good FUD though. I think KoolMoe was trying to get approval from people to boost his self-esteem. That post was 100% fact free.
For you KoolMoe, »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fios#Telephone. |
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 Rattler
join:2001-04-13
Havertown, PA | reply to KoolMoe
said by KoolMoe:The problem with that is, when you order FIOS, VZ tears out POTS copper. Then they have a disclaimer somewhere that says 911 may not be reliable over their FIOS service. If I'm not mistaken, that caveat applies to when the ONT is running off the BBU during a power failure. I believe it has about an 8 hour reserve. Once the battery goes dead, then you're without phone service and have no 9-1-1. Of course, it's those times when you would probably need 9-1-1 more than under normal conditions.
We added a 750W UPS in front of my daughter's FiOS system PSU/BBU. They had an 18 hour power failure a while ago and never lost phone service. We're not sure if the UPS ever shut down since the power came back on in the early morning hours, after they'd been asleep for about 8 or 9 hours (it was still up when they went to bed). They also never lost internet (until the 'puter's UPS shut down after about a half hour).
So, there are some things you can do to mitigate the loss of phone service due to a power failure.
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 extreme50Formerly TwoKDialupPremium
join:2002-06-07
Coloma, MI | reply to ninjatutle
said by ninjatutle:You obviously can't do telephony right Apparently the mighty T has an occasional glitch too! Heh heh heh
»www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/···ter.html
»abclocal.go.com/kfsn/story?secti···=5245544
And you telco boys should stick to overcharging for callerID, VoiceMail and long distance service.
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fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium
join:2005-05-20
kudos:3 | reply to NPGMBR
so what do you call 9-1-1 then? 8-1-1??  |
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APGPremium
join:2007-01-13 | reply to extreme50
And, so does VZ Consider this:
»www.yorkdispatch.com/searchresul···_5892911 |
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 dennismurphyPut me on hold? I'll put YOU on holdPremium
join:2002-11-19
Parsippany, NJ
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Re: Stick to overcharging for video said by Rattler:said by KoolMoe:The problem with that is, when you order FIOS, VZ tears out POTS copper. Then they have a disclaimer somewhere that says 911 may not be reliable over their FIOS service. If I'm not mistaken, that caveat applies to when the ONT is running off the BBU during a power failure. I believe it has about an 8 hour reserve. Once the battery goes dead, then you're without phone service and have no 9-1-1. Of course, it's those times when you would probably need 9-1-1 more than under normal conditions. We added a 750W UPS in front of my daughter's FiOS system PSU/BBU. They had an 18 hour power failure a while ago and never lost phone service. We're not sure if the UPS ever shut down since the power came back on in the early morning hours, after they'd been asleep for about 8 or 9 hours (it was still up when they went to bed). They also never lost internet (until the 'puter's UPS shut down after about a half hour). So, there are some things you can do to mitigate the loss of phone service due to a power failure. Keep in mind that with a FiOS installation, after the battery is 'mostly' exhausted, the FiOS equipment in the house will shut down.
There IS, however, a button on the battery unit labeled "Emergency". At shutdown time, a small reserve is left in the battery -- by pressing the Emergency button, the battery unit will power back up and let you use that last bit of juice --- it's rumored to be about an hours' worth -- that's MORE than enough time to call 911.
So, with all the FUD (Fear, Uncertainty & Doubt) that gets flung around about FiOS, nobody actually checks. Verizon's got you covered. Even if you're in an extended power outage (very very rare around here, every 30 years maybe?) and you need to make that emergency call -- the battery unit's got enough reserve for it. |
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | reply to ColorBASIC
said by ColorBASIC:That is not true. When I called about FiOS, I was not given that option unless I had a 2nd phone line (which they would leave copper) or the primary line had a non-Verizon local provider. What if you order a 2nd line before you have FiOS installed so they leave the copper.. then cancel the 2nd line a few months later?
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8-1-1 is the national call before you dig network. |
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kenyg
join:2001-02-09
Hatboro, PA | reply to ColorBASIC
I got fios last week and still have my copper. I asked them to leave it.
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I got my vonage by mail and installed it myself. There was no tearing out of any copper. i simply opened the user side of the interface, unplugged the modular plug connecting the house copper to the outside world (sprint) and then taped the modular plug with electrical tape and left a note in the box that this house was now on vonage and that this was not to be reconnected. Then I put a patch cord between the vonage router and a wall jack and have phone service throughout the house. There is no need to take out any copper. |
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