 RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Soft Dialtone I thought the FCC required that all landlines have the ability to dial 911, regardless if the customer is paying for voice service or not. |
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 Lark3poPremium
join:2003-08-05
Madison, AL
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| said by Rob:I thought the FCC required that all landlines have the ability to dial 911, regardless if the customer is paying for voice service or not. Thought I read something similar awhile back... |
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| Comcast will tap into your existing telephone line at your phone box, cutting off your teleco's service to the casa. They're not going to run new lines. |
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No it not for landlines but is required for cellphones. |
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 Jim GurdPremium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI | reply to Rob
No service = No dialtone = No 911 either. |
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that is true , however comcast disconnects the nid from the pots network.
they need to bite the bullet and just make a modem that has a land line jack on it. when 911 is called it goes out to the land line network and dials 911 anything else goes over the voip link.
Then the land line company can charge a fee for it and the voip provider can raise the rates a little to pay into the system.
But this won't happen ! because comcast is so hell bent on making it seam like their system is the best thing since sliced bread.
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b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
join:2004-09-07
Bellingham, WA Reviews:
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said by Jim Gurd:No service = No dialtone = No 911 either. Around here our POTS jacks have been live (you always get a dialtone even it you do not have phone service) for about the last 15 years.
911 calls always work if you have phone service or not.
You move into a new place, plug in your phone and "call" (dial 211 I think) Qworst and tell them to turn on phone service.
Takes about 10 minutes and you have full service. |
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 MadMANNPremium
join:2005-08-19
kudos:2 | reply to Jim Gurd
said by Jim Gurd:No service = No dialtone = No 911 either. From what I understand, with CDV, if your phone line is still connected to the eMTA and the eMTA is connected to an active cable line, even if your eMTA has been "soft disco'd" for nonpay, the E911 service is still available.
Now, if your entire cable service is physically disco'd at the pole, then, of course, you have nothing. |
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Jim GurdPremium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI | reply to b10010011
My mother moved into a new home about 2 years ago. Until she called to establish new phone service there was no dialtone on the line. I know because I plugged a phone into it and lifted the receiver. Once the line was activated then there was dialtone but not before.
Her service is provided by SBC (now at&t). Maybe they do things differently in your area. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to BosstonesOwn
That would piss me off. The last owner did a really horrible job of wiring some things in my house, including the phone in which every splice (which seemed to be every 10 feet) were just twisted together and left out in the open, no caps, no boxes, no nothing. Suffice to say, I've ripped a lot of it out (as well as all of the old knob and tube electrical wiring) as I've gone along. If I had to go and reinstall it because comcast decided someone didn't like their 911 service, I wouldn't be a satisfied customer..
Actually, most of the phone jacks I've replaced with network jacks, just because I was in there anyway. I like the wired networks better than wireless, since I don't own laptops. |
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dbonamo
join:2002-12-19
Greenville, SC Reviews:
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said by Jim Gurd:No service = No dialtone = No 911 either. Not true in some areas. In my area, at least the last few years, if service existed and was disconnected it usually had dial tone, although you could only call the phone company and 911. |
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 tshirtPremium,MVM
join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
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said by Caddyroger:No it not for landlines but is required for cellphones. It (free basic 911) IS required for all landlines, however there is no requirement to provide dialtone to unsubscribed lines.
Most larger carriers DO provide dialtone to vacant premises, which connect only to the "OPEN A NEW ACCOUNT" orderline (and MAYBE 911) in order to get easy access to THEIR services.
basic 911 requires coin free access to 911 via any lineline or cellphone
most counties have enhanced 911 (provides phone # and location for operator to VERIFY) to MOST landlines,
wireless e911 is still being implimented.
According to Mark Wigfield, Press contact, FCC Wireline Competition Bureau, here are the FCC fines for e911 violations.
For common carriers, the Commission may impose $130,000 per violation or per day of a continuing violation to a maximum of $1.325 million for a continuing violation.
For cable operators, the Commission may impose $32,500 per violation or per day of a continuing violation to a maximum of $325,000 for a continuing violation.
For non-cable operators, non-common carriers, the Commission may impose $11,000 per violation or per day of a continuing violation to a maximum of $97,500 for a continuing violation.
»ftp.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/voip911.html |
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RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | reply to Jim Gurd
said by Jim Gurd:No service = No dialtone = No 911 either. In some areas, that's true. The other thing I can think about is having a cellphone in your home. It doesn't have to be activated, but it should able to call 911.
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 MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Jim Gurd
said by Jim Gurd:My mother moved into a new home about 2 years ago. Until she called to establish new phone service there was no dialtone on the line. I know because I plugged a phone into it and lifted the receiver. Once the line was activated then there was dialtone but not before. Her service is provided by SBC (now at&t). Maybe they do things differently in your area. It's that way here too, but you can still dial 911 without a dial-tone.
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Jim GurdPremium
join:2000-07-08
Plymouth, MI | said by Matt:It's that way here too, but you can still dial 911 without a dial-tone. How is anyone supposed to know that? I wouldn't even try it if I didn't get a dialtone and I'm sure others wouldn't either. Sounds kind of stupid to me. The least they could do is give a dialtone and play a recording that there is no service if you dial anything other than 911.
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 calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA | reply to tshirt
said by tshirt:...It (free basic 911) IS required for all landlines, however there is no requirement to provide dialtone to unsubscribed lines.... Wrong. 9-1-1 is required to be provided to all landline users IF there is an operational 9-1-1 system in place, but that system, including the construction, staffing, and operation of a "Public Service Answering Point" (PSAP) is the responsibility of local government. (Many local governments impose a charge on local phone bills to recover the "additional costs" of a PSAP and the 9-1-1 networking to support it, making 9-1-1 "included", but not "free".)
In many rural areas (and in some more populous areas besieged by law enforcement and emergency service turf wars) no local PSAP has yet been set up, leaving the area without landline 9-1-1 service.
It is worth noting that the linked FCC piece (and the Order underlying it) applies only to VoIP providers--not landline companies.
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MattAll noise, no signal.Premium
join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
kudos:12 | reply to Jim Gurd
said by Jim Gurd:said by Matt:It's that way here too, but you can still dial 911 without a dial-tone. How is anyone supposed to know that? I wouldn't even try it if I didn't get a dialtone and I'm sure others wouldn't either. Sounds kind of stupid to me. The least they could do is give a dialtone and play a recording that there is no service if you dial anything other than 911. I knew it, you didn't. Just because you didn't, doesn't mean no one does.
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