Siryak
join:2005-11-26
 ·WildBlue
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Re: Anyone else thinking WildBlue?
said by dino195  :I hear you there Arion. I live where I can step out my back door and fish, lots of deer and wild game around and I love it. I was very happy with the service before they put the new FAP in place but I can't see being Fapped twice in a week for just browsing the web. The old FAP was reasonable and it really irks me that they would flip the script on us only 2 weeks after installation. If I had had that info before hand, I would have gone with Wild Blue. Not only were they deceitful about the FAP but they also hit our credit card for the full amount of the installation when the payments were supposed to be spread out over 15 months. They have lost all credibility with me. I just got back from fishing lol. 
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Arion
join:2006-07-09
Marquette, MI
·HughesNet Satellit..
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At least we now know who you are! The number of different member names Hughes is using is amazing, and the dates they joined indicate Hughes has been sneakily trying to sway opinion here for years.
Wow,,,Hughes must be all powerful and I guess I must be a Hughes plant!! I must be on their payroll or something. LOL Maybe the mods should look into this. I've heard of conspiracies before but that's ridiculous. Few users of Hughes, WB or the other providers even post on such forums and I doubt that they care enough about the end users that they are willing to devote resources to infiltrate the forums. Wow...I thought I heard it all. If I was on the payroll then why am I paying $69 a month for my service. Maybe I ought to call them and ask for free service.
Seriously though, it's obvious that they care little for the end user. It's a numbers game of trying to balance an acceptable level of service on one hand and trying to keep as many customers as possible on the other hand and continue to grow.
This fap flap will probably die down after awhile and hopefully things will settle down. If you've been lurking on the forum for awhile you would of noticed that most of the "technical" help offered to people here before was in troubleshooting their systems as to why things were running so slowly. People where wondering if there was something wrong with there systems. And many of us offered our help in troubleshooting. Perhaps there is a reason why in the last month we have not had to help people as much with troubleshooting unexplainable system slowdowns....hmmmmm. 
I do however fully agree that these forums cause people to consider whether or not it's worth the hassle to try satellite service. It's not just the hughes forums either. Go to any of the WB forums or the one way forums and a potential user is left with mainly complaints and dashed expectations.
It's human nature to primarily complain and grouse when things are not going as expected and these forums are a lightning rod for such discussions. People rarely go to them and post that things are going well and that they are happy and satisfied with there systems.
I think that the "average" user of 150mb a day or so is pretty content with their system regardless if it's got a hughes sticker or a WB sticker on it. I would be perfectly content with recommending WB or having a WB system if it met or exceeded the performance I get with my system.
Of course sat internet is more expensive than it's terrestrial cousins and the performance is less due to latency and bandwidth limitations so I would certainly advise anyone reading these forums trying to explore if it's right for them to carefully look at all available options and if wireless or DSL is an option in your neighborhood you would probably not be smart to go with Hughes, WB or the offshoots.
But for those of us who have no other options, the systems work and work well within their limitations. If someone does their homework before getting the systems, does the research by visiting the forums and doing some reading of the manuals and is around when the system is installed and knows what to look for for making sure you get a good install I would tell them that these systems work and work well.
It's yet to be seen how much of a "mistake" Hughes has made with this new policy. The WB people were ganging up on their provider last fall when the packet scheduler modules were changed out which resulted in the latency almost doubling and WB had to put up with a lot of bad press over it. People vote with there feet and if there is a wholesale exodus from the Hughes subscriber rolls over the next quarter then Hughes will have it's answer. I consider myself an "average and moderate" user of the service. My system works well, it performs above the design specifications and I'm happy with it even after the fap change. If that changes I certainly am willing to add my voice to the naysayers.
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DickDastardl
join:2005-10-10
Port Republic, VA | reply to corvettez06u
YEA! And me too, what v8rail said.  Hear! Hear!  |
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v8rail
join:2003-10-13
Ash Fork, AZ
·HughesNet Satellit..
| reply to Arion
said by Arion : If you've been lurking on the forum for awhile you would of noticed that most of the "technical" help offered to people here before was in troubleshooting their systems as to why things were running so slowly. People where wondering if there was something wrong with there systems. And many of us offered our help in troubleshooting. Perhaps there is a reason why in the last month we have not had to help people as much with troubleshooting unexplainable system slowdowns....hmmmmm. And you have a problem with us that we try to figure out how much bandwidth we lost and how we can get most of the little HN left us. So there is no difference, just that for you speed is important, for many of us the bandwidth.
And again that there are slowdowns is in the fatprint and in the HN advertisement. That they cut down bandwidth is only in the fineprint and they still advertise the old bandwidth numbers 
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Arion
join:2006-07-09
Marquette, MI
·HughesNet Satellit..
1 edit | said by v8rail :
And you have a problem with us that we try to figure out how much bandwidth we lost and how we can get most of the little HN left us. V8
Find even once where I have criticized you for trying to find out a way for you or anyone else to maximize bandwidth or figure out how the new fap is working and I'll apologize to you. Even one instance!! I have stated a number of times even up to a comment I made last night that it's impossible to "abuse" the system. That's what the fap is for.
And neither have I criticized anyone else for experimenting to see what you can get out of the system. That's as valid of an experiment as the speed tests that I've been criticized for doing. I think you have me confused with someone else on those points.
What I object to is the anger that has been directed at times towards me and others for daring to say that we like the system and the performance increase that were seeing after the fap policy change. I'll never defend how Hughes has done it because they are providing a moving target that's impossible to hit. But, even as you and others have freedom of speech to say that the new system sucks and Hughes is taking advantage of you I also have freedom of speech to say that the result is beneficial to me in my experience with the system. There should be room for both viewpoints to be expressed without the unnecessary anger that has been displayed by some towards us who have been benefited by the change. 
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hjriver
hjriver
join:2006-12-03
North, VA
| reply to Piggie
said by Piggie :upgrading. Fanboys Banboys, what ya gonna do, when FAP reaches you? Gloom...Dispair...Agony...over me...Deep...Dark...Depression...Excessive...misery...If I didn't have Hughes FAP...I'd have no FAP at all...Gloom...Dispair...Agony...over me...
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Piggie
I Actually use Windstream
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL | Now that is getting close to a good blues song!!! I may do an arrangement on the lighter side thread if it hasn't also been taken over but people comparing numbers. |
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