Siryak
join:2005-11-26
 ·WildBlue
| reply to DickDastardl
Re: Anyone else thinking WildBlue?
Better make sure you can handle pings like this(on a good day). Believe me they get much worse than this. Usually average in between 1300-1700ms.
Pinging yahoo.com [216.109.112.135] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1220ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1233ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1215ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1224ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1191ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1233ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1053ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1176ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1158ms TTL=46
Reply from 216.109.112.135: bytes=32 time=1267ms TTL=46
Ping statistics for 216.109.112.135:
Packets: Sent = 10, Received = 10, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 1053ms, Maximum = 1267ms, Average = 1197ms
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Brad R
join:2007-05-06
Collingwood, ON
| Not so very much worse than I commonly get from HN:
PING yahoo.com (66.94.234.13) 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.94.234.13): icmp_seq=1 ttl=51 time=1149 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.94.234.13): icmp_seq=2 ttl=50 time=766 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.94.234.13): icmp_seq=3 ttl=50 time=1114 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.94.234.13): icmp_seq=4 ttl=50 time=1160 ms
64 bytes from w2.rc.vip.scd.yahoo.com (66.94.234.13): icmp_seq=5 ttl=50 time=1536 ms |
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Fed Up2
@direcpc.com
| reply to Siryak
Wild Blue has done something technically stupid to get such awful ping, there's not doubt about that. But it is inherently fixable.
I have seen pings of 2 seconds and beyond many times on Hughes, and their hopeless DNS lookup response in the past made Wild Blue's ping look like a Sunday School Picnic.
When you use a decent browser (Opera) that displays time and amount downloaded while a page is loading, and you see Hughes consistently take upwards of 3 seconds before ANYTHING happens, ping becomes a bit of a non issue, doesn't it? Many web pages do nothing for up to and beyond 10 seconds. This isn't something in the past, it's all the time!
Anything interactive, like gaming, is not viable on satellite systems because of the inherent satellite delay, so I am not convinced ping alone is a big issue.
I'll happily take a ping a second if the needless delay and overall sluggish response is removed.
Interestingly, when something is changed, like forcing DNS addresses out on the net somewhere, HUGHES RUNS LIGHTNING FAST with minimal delays.
For a short while.
The delays are gone until whatever bloated, "fair" or sinister thing they are doing catches up. Then their system becomes sluggish again. But those few seconds of good performance prove that there is nothing preventing the signal getting out onto the net almost immediately. Only whatever "processing" they are doing in the NOC. This is not a frivolous claim. I've seen this happen many times.
So is Wild Blue's ping really a problem when compared to the overall response of Hughes that constantly wastes seconds, not milliseconds? I don't know, but unless something changes soon I suspect I'll find out...
But this whole unpleasant experience is coming down to integrity. Both companies have technical flaws and aggravations, but who can I trust more to fix things honourably and treat their customer with respect?
When Hughes repeatedly treats their customers like dirt most of us lose the ability to trust them. This ignorant new FAP policy has pushed a bad situation over the edge. The more they act like dictators, the greater the tendency to overlook flaws in another company's product. |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | Wildblue and Hughesnet are a lot alike in how they treat their customers. They both have a "You have no other options therefore I don't haft to respect you" attitude.
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Fed Up2
@direcpc.com | Then we have work to do, don't we... |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26 | said by Fed Up2 :
Then we have work to do, don't we...
*sigh* EVDO can not get here fast enough lol.
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Mokey2000
Mokey
join:2001-02-22
Dixie
| I know WB has high ping times, but do you have prime time slowdowns like this?
:::.. Download Stats ..:::
Download Connection is:: 138 Kbps about 0.1 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB)
Download Speed is:: 17 kB/s
Tested From:: »testmy.net/ (Server 2)
Test Time:: 2007/05/16 - 5:33pm
Bottom Line:: 2X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 60.24 sec
Tested from a 2992 kB file and took 177.36 seconds to complete
Download Diagnosis:: May need help : running at only 13.03 % of your hosts average (direcpc.com)
D-Validation Link:: »testmy.net/stats/id-CKBMHYTAV
User Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; AT&T CSM6.0) [!]
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CMoore2004
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Jonesville, MI
| You can come get my dish and DW6000 modem and get rid of that slowdown. Even in primetime, with the new FAP, I was getting 800kbit. Free, if you pick it up. No idea where "Dixie" is.
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue
| reply to Mokey2000
said by Mokey2000  :I know WB has high ping times, but do you have prime time slowdowns like this? :::.. Download Stats ..::: Download Connection is:: 138 Kbps about 0.1 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB) Download Speed is:: 17 kB/s Tested From:: » testmy.net/ (Server 2) Test Time:: 2007/05/16 - 5:33pm Bottom Line:: 2X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 60.24 sec Tested from a 2992 kB file and took 177.36 seconds to completeDownload Diagnosis:: May need help : running at only 13.03 % of your hosts average (direcpc.com) D-Validation Link:: » testmy.net/stats/id-CKBMHYTAVUser Agent:: Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.5; Windows 98; AT&T CSM6.0) [!] That is one plus for me. No prime time slowdown  . My only problem with Wildblue is the pings because pings are very important to me.
:::.. Download Stats ..:::
Download Connection is:: 1736 Kbps about 1.7 Mbps (tested with 2992 kB)
Download Speed is:: 212 kB/s
Tested From:: »testmy.net/ (Server 1)
Test Time:: 2007/05/16 - 5:45pm
Bottom Line:: 30X faster than 56K 1MB Download in 4.83 sec
Tested from a 2992 kB file and took 14.114 seconds to complete
Download Diagnosis:: Looks Great : 17.62 % faster than the average for host (wildblue.net)
D-Validation Link:: »testmy.net/stats/id-LR8TKY34V
User Agent:: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.8.1.3) Gecko/20070309 Firefox/2.0.0.3 [!]
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corvettez06u
join:2007-01-15
New Richmond, OH
| Ping really doesn't have too much to do with downloading programs and stuff. I have a dial up account for my World of Warcraft. Wild Blue's Fair Access Policy is FAIR. 17GB in a rolling 30 day period is generous as all heck for the same price I'm paying monthly for HNS. If anyone complains about that being over a 30 day period is just insane, as if you went over that amount you definately are an "abuser", as these companies coin it. I don't download pirated movies, I don't download movies at all really. I don't download ISOs or such things like that, but what I DO download from time to time can easily go over 400MB. I'd say within a month I'd probably download 2-3GB at MOST in WORST CASE SCENARIO. This new FAP doesn't handle abusers, it mucks up the whole service for EVERYONE. The old policy was doable, as with my example in the beginning of the thread, but now it is just stupid. It's like buying a brand new car but the company says you can only drive it on certian days during certian hours but they still want their 25 thousand dollars anyway. If Hughes wants to take this approach, what's the difference than just doing a "pay for what you use" system instead? |
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Piggie
I Actually use Windstream
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL
·HughesNet Satellit..
 ·Windstream
| reply to Siryak
The way I understand Wildbull's FAP. If you hit FAP then you are FAPed until you refill 20% of your monthly bucket. If you figure they have a flat refill rate (which I have no idea how it works), then that would take 20% of the days of one month to come out of FAP. I have never asked a WB users, just reading their site and trying to figure it out.
If that is true they one would be FAPed for about 6 days?
Can that be true?
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue
| said by Piggie :The way I understand Wildbull's FAP. If you hit FAP then you are FAPed until you refill 20% of your monthly bucket. If you figure they have a flat refill rate (which I have no idea how it works), then that would take 20% of the days of one month to come out of FAP. I have never asked a WB users, just reading their site and trying to figure it out. If that is true they one would be FAPed for about 6 days? Can that be true? No flat refill rate. You are credited back what you downloaded 30 days ago and nothing more. If you downloaded 1mb you get 1mb back. If you downloaded 10gb you get 10gb back.
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Piggie
I Actually use Windstream
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL
1 edit | Ok, so if you FAP , how long are you now FAPed on their relatively new rolling monthly FAP?
That doesn't mean if you didn't download anything exactly one month ago, then you have to wait longer to get out of FAP? |
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Siryak
join:2005-11-26
·WildBlue
1 edit | Ok let's say you downloaded 17 gigs all in one day and got FAPped. You will be throttled for 30 days until that 17 gigs rolls off. Basically you will stay FAPped until you drop back below 80%.
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Piggie
I Actually use Windstream
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Orange Springs, FL
·HughesNet Satellit..
·Windstream
| So that means if you downloaded 17G/30days or 567 Megs a day, everyday exactly, then you would just FAP toward the end of the month. Or lets say you download an extra 5 megs every day to be sure you FAP before 30 days passes.
Then would it then take 6 days to get out of the FAP to get back to below 80% ??
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corvettez06u
join:2007-01-15
New Richmond, OH | I think it goes if you download 10GB at day 1, by day 31 (rolling 30 days remember?) you get 10GB back in your bucket. Straight up, no trickle. |
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dMarks
Melting Faces For Fun
join:2007-02-09
Leslie, MI
 ·Millenicom
·HughesNet Satellit..
| reply to Fed Up2
said by Fed Up2 :
Anything interactive, like gaming, is not viable on satellite systems because of the inherent satellite delay, so I am not convinced ping alone is a big issue.
After going through the Attorney General and getting things looked at by Hughes Executive Customer Care, I can do gaming on Satellite. I play EQ2, LOTRO and Vanguard. Even during prime time I can game with only a slight bit of latency (Note: if you PvP, then satellite is definitely not good).
Before I went to the AG though, gaming was indeed impossible on Satellite. I still use my dial-up for gaming though unless I'm using Ventrillo or TeamSpeak at the same time, or am raiding since, with at least EQ2, raiding requires slightly more burst bandwidth than dial-up can provide.
If you're really into gaming and want high speed, find a one-way satellite provider. That's what I used for a long time before switching and kinda wish I didn't, but that's all in the past now.
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mrpepsi
join:2006-05-22
·WildBlue
| reply to corvettez06u
said by corvettez06u :I think it goes if you download 10GB at day 1, by day 31 (rolling 30 days remember?) you get 10GB back in your bucket. Straight up, no trickle. Exactly how it works. On Jan 1st if you download 100mb, on Jan 30th you get back that 100mb.
Wildblue's FAP and bandwidth capacity are it's bright shining stars. I've never seen a speed test below 450kbps on my 512kbps plan. If only they'd give us sub 1-second latency. 
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Fed Up2
@direcpc.com
| The point is that Wild Blue's FAP is usable and flexible for respectful users.
Large downloads can be undertaken to fit YOUR schedule, not Hughes'.
Reasonable management can easily avoid being FAPped for everyone except those with insatiable appetites who are trying to milk every last drop from the system. This means the penalty is a lot less of a concern.
Hughes new FAP is annoying and inconvenient. It causes you to re-shape your life around downloads. Their limit is now unworkably low for many of us. Their refusal to cleanly and openly communicate rubs salt into the wound.
Wild Blue is now miles ahead for responsible users. |
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bumwolf
join:2007-04-21
Florence, AL
| Hindsight is 20/20 but when I bought my system I figured to go with who was in the business the longest. You'd think 10 years the company would have grown invested in better technology increased throughput for everybody maybe kept with internet trends. Boy was I wrong it's sad that we even have a fap bucket in this day in age on any service.
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