 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
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Mount Airy, MD | Futile Verizon has made it very clear that it has no intentions of ever upgrading service in the parts of New England that it wants to sell off. Why are people still stuck on retaining Verizon if they want something that the company has guaranteed that it will not ever provide?
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Banks, OR | Yup. Also considering that the smaller independents have a much better track record at deploying broadband to their subscribers than do the ILEC's, you'd think they'd stop whining.
I guess there is a natural fear of change, though. |
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | The worst these people will get is more of the same lack of service that they currently have. At least with a changeover there is a chance, albeit very small, of service upgrades.
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The logic behind their argument makes no sense. The Verizon vs Fairpoint people are saying that since Verizon has proclaimed New England as "unprofitable," Fairpoint isn't going to be able to provide anything better. Is this still a capitalistic society we're operating in? Some businesses are run better than others and I don't think it takes much to be better than a clunker like Verizon.
Another argument they're using is that it's going to cost too much for the spinoff... Umm, that's not our problem. That's Fairpoint's problem, which I'm sure they've gone over with their bean counters already. Who cares if they have to change sinage and repaint the trucks? It's not like that hasn't happened before. Anybody remember NYNEX -> Bell Atlantic -> Verizon?
These people are too adverse to change for their own good. They'd rather stick with a known evil like Verizon instead of trying out Fairpoint (which may or may not turn out to be evil.) |
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said by pnh102:Verizon has made it very clear that it has no intentions of ever upgrading service in the parts of New England that it wants to sell off. Why are people still stuck on retaining Verizon if they want something that the company has guaranteed that it will not ever provide? Because the unions can't milk a smaller provider. Labor is the only thing that constantly goes up. And unions are forcing labor costs up. I know the cost of living is going up as well, but these huge increases are bad.
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I was working for an Independent telco in Utah when it bought some exchanges from US West. While the service we provided was significantly better, we also raised prices after 6 months, by like over %10. We also got a bunch of subsidy money. (USF, NECA pooling, dirt cheap loans, etc.) Also, we weren't Union, so those Union jobs went away (we made significantly less than US West employees). So, from personal experience, I understand the trepidation these people have. |
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said by BosstonesOwn:said by pnh102:Verizon has made it very clear that it has no intentions of ever upgrading service in the parts of New England that it wants to sell off. Why are people still stuck on retaining Verizon if they want something that the company has guaranteed that it will not ever provide? Because the unions can't milk a smaller provider. Labor is the only thing that constantly goes up. And unions are forcing labor costs up. I know the cost of living is going up as well, but these huge increases are bad. I wouldn't be surprised if the union wasn't behind a lot of the drama. I can't blame anyone for not wanting a unprofitable market.
If I made cars and found Iowa unprofitable to sell in, I wouldn't sell there. If I owned a dealership there and found it unprofitable, sell it. Same thing VZ is doing. |
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DolganPremium
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Because the unions can't milk a smaller provider. Labor is the only thing that constantly goes up. And unions are forcing labor costs up. I know the cost of living is going up as well, but these huge increases are bad.
That is complete BS. Salary increases for Union Workers run 1.5%-2.5% {varies year to year and by region}over the course of the current 5 year contract. The largest increase in the cost of labor is the rising cost of healthcare. That is determined by the insurance industry and faced by every company weather it uses Union or non-Union workers. The Executives are the ones who are milking the payrolls with the obscene amounts of money they are paid in bonuses and stock options every year.
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PDXPLT
join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | reply to pnh102
That website sure is odd. They're opposed to Fairpoint because they'll only sell "yesterday's technology", i.e., DSL rather than FIOS.
So they want to stick with Verizon. Even though with VZ, they won't even get DSL(?).
Perhaps they think there's some way they can force VZ to sell them FIOS(?). I think alot of this is FUD driven by the unions, who don't want to lose a union shop, and really don't care whether broadband gets deployed or not. |
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said by pnh102:Verizon has made it very clear that it has no intentions of ever upgrading service in the parts of New England that it wants to sell off. Yes. I get a kick out of the people fighting the deal crowing about how we are winning and the sale to Fairpoint won't go forward, etc. etc. And what exactly do they win? They keep Verizon until Verizon can spin off the area to another company or some private equity investment company buys the territory. In the meantime all they get is no changes at all and benign neglect from Verizon. Yeah, they are winners alright.
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Well guess what , until the boards and shareholders stop allowing it , the cost is still the labor !
You look at things you can control. You can not control the managements decisions unless you vote with your money.
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Ahrenl
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North Andover, MA | reply to PDXPLT
Umm, it's all driven by the unions. They're the only one's with something to lose. It's not like any service will be worse than what Verizon is offering, especially since Verizon has publicly written the area off anyway. Imagine how bad their service could be? 1 CSR for the whole area? :P |
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North Andover, MA | reply to fAcEtIOUs
I'll mark it down..
May 17th, we actually agree completely.
One thing that drives me nuts about this whole thing is how VT and NH are constantly referred to as "New England". They're the least populous states (I'm pretty sure RI beats them) and verizon is aggressively rolling out FIOS throughout Mass and even southern NH. Take away Southern NH and NH is just a few ski resorts and lakes. |
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kudos:3 | said by Ahrenl:...and verizon is aggressively rolling out FIOS throughout Mass and even southern NH. I can't find any Fios deployments much west of U.S. 495, with a few exceptions towards Worcester.
That is hardly "throughout Mass"...
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Banks, OR | reply to fAcEtIOUs
said by fAcEtIOUs:And what exactly do they win? It's looking like they win keeping existing union contracts, and nothing else.
I guess this alot like the anti-Globalization movement. 'very clever how Big Labor has been able to get the enviromental lobby, and others who ordinarily wouldn't care very much about them, to work toward protecting their monopolies in the labor market by endeavoring to block foreign competition. |
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | reply to viperlmw
Isn't this all really just an argument about whether it's better to be a bigger frog in a smaller pond or a smaller frog in a bigger pond?
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mrks
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Lowell, MA | reply to pnh102
Parts of up state New York where a similar sale was blocked is now getting FiOS |
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Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA | reply to pnh102
With all due respect the people of these three states have more than ample reason to be concerned about this proposed sale. Fairpoint is a tiny phone company that is attempting to acquire assets five times larger than their present size. Such a proposition is extremely risky that some would say is a bankruptcy waiting to happen. |
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The Communications Workers of America is not looking to "milk" anyone. In New England and everywhere the Union is pushing for legislation to provide affordable, high speed internet for all. The fight against red-lining of neighborhoods is part of its overall campaign to make sure no one is left out. If you doubt the seriousness of their policy work on this check out their Speed Matters campaign (»www.speedmatters.org). Check out the bill CWA is fighting for in New York, which also forbids red-lining at »www.thealbanyproject.com/showDia···757#3916. |
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"people" are still stuck on it because they KNOW that Verizon will install FIOS in areas where it counts. The north country of all three states have been served as much as they will be. The populated parts of all three states have already been served by DSL for years and years.. It's time for something new... that something new is Fiber, not copper.
visit www.verizonvsfairpoint.com for some news and chat on this subject. |
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