wierdo
join:2001-02-16
Tulsa, OK
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
·Teliax VOIP
| reply to Gamer
Re: Gulf Coast test info
said by Gamer  :And if they don't update Windows, it probably already has happened, regardless of the browser they use; I doubt those users would update Firefox either. What that has to do with this thread, however, is beyond me. Unless they explicitly configure Firefox not to check for updates, or tell it no when it asks if it can restart the browser (which there's no reason to do, since it remembers all your tabs and their history) and leave it running for days or weeks until they come across a malicious page, it doesn't matter if they update Firefox, since it does it on its own.
As far as OpenDNS is concerned, I'm no more interested in using their broken 'DNS' than I am Cox's broken 'DNS'. Besides, my complaint is that I have to actively seek out working DNS servers, when those are the ones they should be instructing my computer or router to use in the first place. |
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BillRoland
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:
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|  reply to coxengr
This is apparently NO LONGER just a Gulf Coast Test, as of right now its showing up in Central Florida as well, which no mention of any servers to use to bypass this crap.
As you can see I typed in MySpace incorrectly, and this wonderfully helpful new feature (which they broke DNS for) advises me that, in fact, www.mysapce.com doesn't exist. Thanks for that, I would never have known otherwise, except of course for the fact that the built in search in IE on Vista would have at least suggested I try www.myspace.com, which is indeed where I wanted to go. And what about this helpful feature? It didn't suggest I go anywhere except those ad links that predictably had nothing to with where I was trying to go, whatsoever.
So my challenge to Cox remains: explain for us all, please, how this feature is useful to even the dumbest user of Cox HSI.
Oh and as for me, I'm off to find some real DNS servers.
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robertfl
Premium
join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | Let me know if you find any. I'm using OPENDNS and it's been a champ so far.
-Rob |
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state
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join:2002-02-08
Hampton, VA
clubs: | I've been using Level3's nameservers for ages now, they respond extremely fast: 4.2.2.1 and 4.2.2.2 |
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robertfl
Premium
join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL | Well I think the redirect will be the norm as more money for any ISP to make.
The average person won't think twice and they will be taking advantage of it. Money talks people walk.
-Rob |
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state
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Hampton, VA
clubs: | Level3 is more of a common carrier/transit provider than an ISP - I don't see them going that route anytime soon. |
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NoVA_CoxUser
Stand back from the cage -- The RF bites
Premium
join:2004-07-06
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
4 edits | reply to BillRoland
said by BillRoland : ... So my challenge to Cox remains: explain for us all, please, how this feature is useful to even the dumbest user of Cox HSI ... Bill:
That page is absolutely worthless.
Nice goin' Cox. 
For those of you in Atlanta who blindly accept and regurgitate the marketing department's "spew" that this is somehow "helpful" and "requested" by Joe Average Internet User ...
... you should really think again and stop believing your own press releases.
Using Bill's most recent "results" page as an example:
What does this do to help the "lost" user find what he's looking for?
I -- and other posters here -- have repeatedly posed variations of that question in this thread and there has not yet been even one attempt at a substantive answer.
At least be honest and say what this really is ... a revenue-generating scheme.
At least you could "spin" that into a semi-believable story about how you're using the extra $$$ generated to offset costs and provide new services. |
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robertfl
Premium
join:2005-10-10
Mary Esther, FL
·Cox VOIP
| Re: Gulf Coast test infoM
I can't wait and see if this is going to be advertised. There is a lot of sheep out there who think "click here" is at their best interest.
"new from cox... suggested search" (while the picture pixels to hell down here during the local ad why it's doing that here I don't know)
and I'll said this once, I'll say it again... this is here to stay. Unless said otherwise.
-Rob |
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NoVA_CoxUser
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Premium
join:2004-07-06
Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
3 edits | 
Wonder what SSL to OpenDNS is for ??? |
said by robertfl :... I'll said this once, I'll say it again... this is here to stay ... Well Rob, remember this day, because I unfortunately agree w/ you. 
And not meaning to get too far off-topic ... While I too am using OpenDNS (at least for now), I'm still not convinced that their motives a altogether "open."
Try running a nslookup on just about any server name and an OpenDNS IP is resolved. (They've got their own servers set-up for the "biggies" (e.g. Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, etc.)
Then there are these "curious" Firefox security messages (posted above) which I occasionally receive when connecting to https sites; making me wonder just why OpenDNS needs to establish a secure connection ??? ... IMO "the jury's still out" on OpenDNS. |
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BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| reply to NoVA_CoxUser
Re: Gulf Coast test info
For now, what I have done is just specified the old DNS servers Cox use to send via DHCP (ns1.ga.at.cox.net is still on and still works "properly," as does ns1.at.cox.net). However I have no these will disappear or be redirected to the bogus ones. I think state probably has the right answer, ultimately. Or I may load up a copy of Windows 2000 server and use DNS on that to bypass all this crap.
I will NOT be fed a line of advertising crap where I don't have to.
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"Don't steal. The government hates competition." |
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mud
@cox.net | I just found this:
»support.cox.com/sdccommon/asp/co···d0b7b904 |
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a8969
@cox.net | cool, 2 whole servers,,, with an additional 50ms query time.. thanks..
"Open" DNS is no improvement.. I dont know where they get off calling themselfs open. |
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InRI
@verizon.net
| reply to BillRoland
said by BillRoland : ... Or I may load up a copy of Windows 2000 server and use DNS on that to bypass all this crap ... Sure looks like where things seem headed.
Domain Name services are now becoming just one more profit center.
I can see a future where ISPs will provide "free" ad-laden DNS services w/ each account ...
... but if the customer actually wants RFC-compliant services; that'll cost "extra" ... or you'll have to run your own. |
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Graycode
join:2006-04-17
·net2phone
| reply to NoVA_CoxUser
Re: Gulf Coast test infoM
said by NoVA_CoxUser :Then there are these "curious" Firefox security messages (posted above) which I occasionally receive when connecting to https sites; making me wonder just why OpenDNS needs to establish a secure connection ??? ... IMO "the jury's still out" on OpenDNS. OpenDNS isn't the one opening a secure connection - your browser was.
OpenDNS tries to block sites that they consider bad, and also they provide a page to inform you of names which do not exist. They do that by pointing the requested name to one of their own IP. If your browser was trying SSL to that non-existing site name, then the browser ends up trying SSL to the OpenDNS server. Since the SSL certificates won't match the requested site name you'll get the browser warning that you posted.
Here is 2 DNS methods to resolve that site name:
• First using "normal" DNS lookup from the root servers: »www.dollardns.net/cgi-bin/dnscra···y#report
It indicates that site does not exist.
• Next using the OpenDNS server to resolve that name: »www.dollardns.net/cgi-bin/dnscra···y#report
It points to an IP whose page would have told you that site did not exist.
Bottom line is that you got the warning because your browser tried to invoke SSL logic on the OpenDNS server. OpenDNS is not the one trying to initiate a secure connection, they only provided the name resolution methods and they don't have any software running on your PC.
The OpenDNS FAQ tells how to manage your own preferences. Turn off their phishing protection and typo correction to get a more traditional unaltered name resolution method. Or use other DNS like the Level3 servers posted above by state .
I'm also staying away from Cox DNS. It would be sweet if we could inflict our own personal choices onto Cox like they do with us. |
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BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
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·Cox HSI
| reply to coxengr
Re: Gulf Coast test info
I'm kind of curious why barnhouse rated this thread a 5 Star. Maybe he could come enlighten us?
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state
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join:2002-02-08
Hampton, VA
clubs: | It's a topic voting function, it doesn't necessarily mean that they agree with the OP. I disagree with what's being done, but I think this is a great discussion.  |
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BillRoland
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join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
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·Cox HSI
| Fair enough, but on the other hand one might say its a shame we even have a topic such as this one in the first place. Who would have imagined 5 years ago that DNS would evolve into an advertising machine? 
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state
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join:2002-02-08
Hampton, VA
clubs: | Just wait till the marketing department hears about `ping'! |
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bmn
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Yeah, right, but you know they would LOVE that. :D
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Prove it... |
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cob_
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Tulsa, OK | Nice. |
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