Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app in Security http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18350874 en Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:50:22 EDT Tue, 08 Dec 2009 21:50:22 EDT Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18365037 Doctor Four : We've been Slashdotted:

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said by buttoni See Profile :

Thanks for the EULAlyzer tip! ...
You're welcome. :) "They" often sneak in a phrase giving themselves the right to make changes in agreements without notice.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18357550 Fri, 18 May 2007 18:18:39 EDT Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18357440 buttoni : Thanks for the EULAlyzer tip! Will download & take a look at it. I was guilty of assuming that just because I had read the EULA when I originally bought the McAfee FW, the EULA hadn't changed. WRONG! They snuck that little tidbit into the EULA (without public announcement)sometime between Dec 2004 and March 2006.
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said by Interceptor See Profile :

Precisely why I use "ShopSafe" from my CC company. :-)
It will generate a temporary number for you for the time you specify, and no more than the amount you specify. To the vendor, it looks like your CC expires in a couple of months and your credit limit is surprisingly close to the item you're buying.
Bingo. I use this for every singe online transaction. If the charge is $10, I limit the card to $10. An extra step anyone should take - it's worth the extra three minutes to generate a number.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18356175 Fri, 18 May 2007 13:34:16 EDT Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18355784 noway1 : Surprise, surprise. The big three are behaving like pirates and expect sympathy when their software is pirated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18355784 Fri, 18 May 2007 12:17:37 EDT Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18355706 onDvine :
said by buttoni See Profile :

... Moral of this story: READ THOSE EULA'S WORD FOR WORD!!!!!
OR at least use EULAlyzer to "read" them for you and bring your attention to stuff you may wish you'd known about later. :)
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Moral of this story: READ THOSE EULA'S WORD FOR WORD!!!!!
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said by EGeezer See Profile :

It looks like a good reason to have a single purchase authorization feature with one's credit/debit card.
...and people think I'm nuts because I like a shiny box with a CD inside. ;)

Anyway, I do renew subscriptions to favorite applications like Zone Alarm, SpyCop, and Norton. To date, none of the vendors involved have auto-billed my credit card for renewals. Symantec, however, will send you an email to give you the option of opting out of the auto-renewal.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18354165 Fri, 18 May 2007 03:10:01 EDT Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18351835 Interceptor : Precisely why I use "ShopSafe" from my CC company. :-)
It will generate a temporary number for you for the time you specify, and no more than the amount you specify. To the vendor, it looks like your CC expires in a couple of months and your credit limit is surprisingly close to the item you're buying.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18351835 Thu, 17 May 2007 18:05:50 EDT Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18351741 Hutch :
said by mers2 See Profile :

Problem is there isn't enough backlash from consumers to change this rotten practice.
I agree, we the consumers should harras Companies via email, phone, mail and let the public know through forums like dslreports. Even though some people don't completely read the fine print when they purchase items on the internet. This is a low down dirty practise of gaining revenue from the un-knowing, un-educated user.

I myself have had to pull my credit card details for the same reason.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18351741 Thu, 17 May 2007 17:48:14 EDT Re: Unsticking yourself from your security app http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18351241 mers2 : Some of the major AVs have been doing this for years. It appears everyone else is now taking advantage of trusting customers. Problem is there isn't enough backlash from consumers to change this rotten practice.
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This article by Scott Dunn in this month's Brian Livingston newsletter describes Scott's interesting informal test of three well-known vendors.

It looks like a good reason to have a single purchase authorization feature with one's credit/debit card.
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