RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
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Re: They should be bonded and insured
said by robertfl  :Just as my subject said they should be bonded and insured for shit like this.
No doubt they are, no one would hire a contractor who wasn't.
said by robertfl :Now to error is to be human but this should have been prevented by PLANNING ahead. Rob How does planning ahead help when the pipes aren't where they're shown on the plat? |
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Lil Jon
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join:2006-06-26
Lawrenceville, GA | lol @ everyone hatin on Verizon. it isn't even their fault. |
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Chaoswar
Premium
join:2002-09-23
Northlake IL | reply to RJ44
Maybe they could get a ground scan done before they excavate? I can't imagine that being more expensive than fixing the damage afterwards.... Or loss of life re: house fires... |
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AMDUSER
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join:2003-05-28
Earth
clubs: | Generally they have the utility marking service come out and mark where the gas, electric etc is located.
..However, it would not be too surprising if it was not marked due to old outdated maps. |
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Arctic nut
join:2006-11-26
Thief River Falls, MN
 ·HughesNet Satellit..
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said by Chaoswar :Maybe they could get a ground scan done before they excavate? I can't imagine that being more expensive than fixing the damage afterwards.... Or loss of life re: house fires... They likely do get underground utilities located. In most places it's the law. The problem can be the locating crews who don't always do an accurate job of marking the correct location. I have first hand knowledge of what happens when things are not marked correctly. I still have the backhoe bucket with the 8" hole in it from hitting a 12.5KV cable that was 60 feet from where it was marked as being. While the power company was sorry, it took countless letters and the filing of a suit to get reimbursed for replacement of my fried bucket and a backhoe check over. Had I not followed the law and dug blind, I would have been liable for replacement of the cable and lost revenue. The lost revenue alone would have been steep since I cut power to nearly 200 customers in August. Only a total idiot would not call for locates. Not to mention, the contractor's insurance would likely be cancelled in a flash for being so negligent. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| reply to Chaoswar
said by Chaoswar :Maybe they could get a ground scan done before they excavate? What, exactly, is a ground scan? |
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Tursiops_G
Technoid
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join:2002-02-06
Norwalk, CT
clubs:
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| said by Chaoswar :What, exactly, is a ground scan? Checking for the presence of buried utilities with ground-penetrating radar (more effective than using a plain Metal Detector) 
»www.geomodel.com/
-Tursiops_G.
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If You're Unsure, "RTFM"... If You're SURE, "RTFM" Anyway. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by Tursiops_G :said by Chaoswar :What, exactly, is a ground scan? Checking for the presence of buried utilities with ground-penetrating radar (more effective than using a plain Metal Detector) » www.geomodel.com/ -Tursiops_G. I see, that's great stuff. Somehow though, I expect it costs just a bit more than they're paying for locations today.
BTW, that was me who asked, the quote got mixed up. |
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Tursiops_G
Technoid
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join:2002-02-06
Norwalk, CT
clubs: | Oops, Sorry... 
-Tursiops_G. |
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Time4aNAP
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join:2007-04-09
Des Plaines, IL
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said by RJ44 :I see, that's great stuff. Somehow though, I expect it costs just a bit more than they're paying for locations today. Even if ground-penetrating RADAR is too costly for now, an amped-up version of a plain ol' metal detector can be used. I say "amped-up" because the utilities should have a much better idea of what they're looking for. Therefore their equipment can be optimized to find the specific metals (Cu, Fe, Pb), and at greater depths. |
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Wills
join:2001-01-03
Port Charlotte, FL
| reply to Lil Jon
Nope, this isn't Verizon's fault. Nor is it the fault of any contractors.
This is a big problem in Florida, especially Southwest Florida. It doesn't matter how many numbers you call before you dig they are going to mark them wrong. The maps are wrong, the labels on things are wrong, and if they send someone out with a metal detector, he'll screw it up.
You can't do any kind of digging in Florida without putting a hole in something important. |
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Claybraker
join:2002-04-13
none
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said by Time4aNAP :said by RJ44 :I see, that's great stuff. Somehow though, I expect it costs just a bit more than they're paying for locations today. Even if ground-penetrating RADAR is too costly for now, an amped-up version of a plain ol' metal detector can be used. I say "amped-up" because the utilities should have a much better idea of what they're looking for. Therefore their equipment can be optimized to find the specific metals (Cu, Fe, Pb), and at greater depths. Finding metals underground isn't a problem. Figuring out which of the underground cables is live, and which are abandoned is. |
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