Re: They should be bonded and insured in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18352114 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:27:17 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 19:27:17 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18363030 Claybraker :
said by Time4aNAP See Profile :

said by RJ44 See Profile :

I see, that's great stuff. Somehow though, I expect it costs just a bit more than they're paying for locations today.
Even if ground-penetrating RADAR is too costly for now, an amped-up version of a plain ol' metal detector can be used. I say "amped-up" because the utilities should have a much better idea of what they're looking for. Therefore their equipment can be optimized to find the specific metals (Cu, Fe, Pb), and at greater depths.
Finding metals underground isn't a problem. Figuring out which of the underground cables is live, and which are abandoned is.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18363030 Sat, 19 May 2007 20:56:29 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18356296 Wills : Nope, this isn't Verizon's fault. Nor is it the fault of any contractors.

This is a big problem in Florida, especially Southwest Florida. It doesn't matter how many numbers you call before you dig they are going to mark them wrong. The maps are wrong, the labels on things are wrong, and if they send someone out with a metal detector, he'll screw it up.

You can't do any kind of digging in Florida without putting a hole in something important.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18356296 Fri, 18 May 2007 14:01:07 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18354279 Time4aNAP :
said by RJ44 See Profile :

I see, that's great stuff. Somehow though, I expect it costs just a bit more than they're paying for locations today.
Even if ground-penetrating RADAR is too costly for now, an amped-up version of a plain ol' metal detector can be used. I say "amped-up" because the utilities should have a much better idea of what they're looking for. Therefore their equipment can be optimized to find the specific metals (Cu, Fe, Pb), and at greater depths.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18354279 Fri, 18 May 2007 05:06:30 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353790 Tursiops_G : Oops, Sorry... :o

-Tursiops_G.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353790 Fri, 18 May 2007 00:41:16 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353730 RJ44 :
said by Tursiops_G See Profile :

said by Chaoswar See Profile :

What, exactly, is a ground scan?
Checking for the presence of buried utilities with ground-penetrating radar (more effective than using a plain Metal Detector) ;)

»www.geomodel.com/

-Tursiops_G.
I see, that's great stuff. Somehow though, I expect it costs just a bit more than they're paying for locations today.

BTW, that was me who asked, the quote got mixed up.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353730 Fri, 18 May 2007 00:25:18 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353335 Tursiops_G :
said by Chaoswar See Profile :

What, exactly, is a ground scan?
Checking for the presence of buried utilities with ground-penetrating radar (more effective than using a plain Metal Detector) ;)

»www.geomodel.com/

-Tursiops_G.
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If You're Unsure, "RTFM"... If You're SURE, "RTFM" Anyway. ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353335 Thu, 17 May 2007 23:03:51 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353122 RJ44 :
said by Chaoswar See Profile :

Maybe they could get a ground scan done before they excavate?
What, exactly, is a ground scan?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18353122 Thu, 17 May 2007 22:25:33 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352417 Arctic nut :
said by Chaoswar See Profile :

Maybe they could get a ground scan done before they excavate? I can't imagine that being more expensive than fixing the damage afterwards.... Or loss of life re: house fires...
They likely do get underground utilities located. In most places it's the law. The problem can be the locating crews who don't always do an accurate job of marking the correct location. I have first hand knowledge of what happens when things are not marked correctly. I still have the backhoe bucket with the 8" hole in it from hitting a 12.5KV cable that was 60 feet from where it was marked as being. While the power company was sorry, it took countless letters and the filing of a suit to get reimbursed for replacement of my fried bucket and a backhoe check over. Had I not followed the law and dug blind, I would have been liable for replacement of the cable and lost revenue. The lost revenue alone would have been steep since I cut power to nearly 200 customers in August. Only a total idiot would not call for locates. Not to mention, the contractor's insurance would likely be cancelled in a flash for being so negligent.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352417 Thu, 17 May 2007 20:11:41 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352228 AMDUSER : Generally they have the utility marking service come out and mark where the gas, electric etc is located.
..However, it would not be too surprising if it was not marked due to old outdated maps. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352228 Thu, 17 May 2007 19:37:02 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352159 Chaoswar : Maybe they could get a ground scan done before they excavate? I can't imagine that being more expensive than fixing the damage afterwards.... Or loss of life re: house fires...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352159 Thu, 17 May 2007 19:20:06 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352156 Lil Jon : lol @ everyone hatin on Verizon. it isn't even their fault.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352156 Thu, 17 May 2007 19:19:44 EDT Re: They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352114 RJ44 :
said by robertfl See Profile :

Just as my subject said they should be bonded and insured for shit like this.

No doubt they are, no one would hire a contractor who wasn't.

said by robertfl See Profile :

Now to error is to be human but this should have been prevented by PLANNING ahead.

Rob
How does planning ahead help when the pipes aren't where they're shown on the plat?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352114 Thu, 17 May 2007 19:08:02 EDT They should be bonded and insured http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352081 robertfl : Just as my subject said they should be bonded and insured for shit like this. Clearly, this is pure stupidity. Our society is dumbing down and we will see more bull crap like this. Now to error is to be human but this should have been prevented by PLANNING ahead.

Rob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18352081 Thu, 17 May 2007 19:02:46 EDT