 morboComplete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000 | nice strategy, cablecos
i like their thinking on this issue. screw telcos by making broadband above a set mark that is ABOVE telcos current standard and lite offerings. |
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1 edit | Well, and increased penetration monitoring would better highlight where they choose not to install next-gen broadband and TV for all to see....
Clever boys at that thar NCTA.... |
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 justbitsMore fiber than ATT can handlePremium
join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL
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A 1Mbps upload for ADSL requires a very short pair of wires to a remote terminal or the central office. This disqualifies anything but people with AT+T Elite 6.0/768 from being able to even possibly make the 1Mbps upload rate.
If the cable co wants to really stick it to ADSL, they should try to get this law crafted to define broadband as the best effort upload speed for a TCP connection running at 1Mbps. ADSL's max wire bit rate is 1Mbps. Add in the TCP/IP and ATM overhead and all ADSL offerings are immediately disqualified from being called broadband. AT+T would need to install a lot of remote terminals to overcome that definition.
I suspect that if this bill isn't killed, it will be rewritten to be 1Mbps/512Kbps so that at least 90% of the existing ADSL lines will count as broadband. |
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cacoPremium
join:2005-03-10
Whittier, AK | reply to Karl Bode
Something tells me that map would not be looked upon very nicely by AT&T and Verizon especially if it was overlapped by lets say income levels.
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| That's why I promise you we'll never see an effective broadband penetration map by this government. Phone providers fight any effort of this kind tooth and nail.
I think the best we see is broadband nudged from 200kbps to 1Mbps or something....whatever ultimately passes as an examination of penetration will be cooked and skewed nonsense. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | reply to caco
Cable won't have much to brag about either. |
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 MrMoodyFree range slavePremium
join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | reply to justbits
said by justbits:A 1Mbps upload for ADSL requires a very short pair of wires to a remote terminal or the central office. This disqualifies anything but people with AT+T Elite 6.0/768 from being able to even possibly make the 1Mbps upload rate. Embarq has 5000/768 available all over this part of the country in and around rural small towns. Why can't the same pair that can run 5000 down run 1000 up? Seems to me the most that would be needed is to change the standard slightly to reassign some down channels to up channels and maybe give the modem a little more transmit power, and voila, 4000/1000. I'd buy that for a dollar. And if the telco makes it available, they can count it whether anyone buys it or not.
The purpose of having the penetration info is to compare to other countries. If it's not the same standard, it's a useless comparison. To heck with giving the poor telcos a break, they need to be held up to the light of the world standard. Maybe it will embarrass them into the 21st century, and the cablecos as well by virtue of the competition. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | reply to Karl Bode
Karl, you might be wrong on the penetration map. The Telcos could use it as a tool to get more money for delivering service to us poor people living in the sticks. |
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| They're already pretty close to nabbing USF and RUS subsidies. Highlighting their deployment shortcomings to regulators and competitors is just something they will never let happen. I'll grow an ear on my back first. |
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Nuts
join:2006-04-27
Forest, OH | I don't disagree with you, but I'm holding out a little hope |
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Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL | reply to Karl Bode
said by Karl Bode:I'll grow an ear on my back first. It could happen  |
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justbitsMore fiber than ATT can handlePremium
join:2003-01-08
Chicago, IL Reviews:
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Whoops! Time for a correction. RadioDoc pointed out to me that line length isn't typically a problem for the upload side with ADSL. It's true. The upload side is carried on the lower frequency carriers, which are not impaired (attenuated) as much on longer length lines. Doc also pointed out that the probable max effective bit rate for ADSL with just the DSL line protocol overhead would be 892Kbps. Loop length isn't the issue, the ADSL protocol itself is the barrier to providing 1Mbps upload. |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | reply to Zoder
Or elsewhere...
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 RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY | reply to Zoder
said by Zoder:said by Karl Bode:I'll grow an ear on my back first. It could happen It did a few weeks ago on CSI:NY (where I assume that picture is from). |
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Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL | said by RARPSL:It did a few weeks ago on CSI:NY (where I assume that picture is from). No. That was a real ear that a scientist grew on the back of a mouse a number of years ago. |
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