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Re: De-emphasizing quoted text in forum threads
said by sashwa  :For those of you who are still seeing the yellow in quotes, have you tried cleaning your cache including offline content? I was seeing yellow last night but today I am seeing pale blue.Edit: I just changed my theme from Chat to Canadian and I'm seeing the yellow in quotes. My mistake. This is what I see with seti, a dark theme, using Firefox. Guess it would be the same in IE:
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sashwa
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justin
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The (very) light background yellow is in the default theme, not the others. If someone says that it is unreadable, post a screenshot to demonstrate this. |
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Gizy
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Better sample |
*Edit for a 2nd image*
It's enough that I've changed my theme to DImaging for the entire site. Then it stands out better. |
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justin
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Brooklyn, NY | Maybe I need to borrow your eyes because I don't see from that screen-shot why the contrast between almost-black and almost-white is insufficient to read the text! |
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Gizy
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Because it's not showing as almost black and almost white (and the screenshots don't do the colors justice). It's showing as light grey and light yellow.
I've cleared my cache, etc., so I shouldn't have an old style sheet.
Either way, the problem is solved for me. But non-logged in users may have issues.
*edit*
I just read you answer again......Try this screenshot instead
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OZO
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said by justin :Maybe I need to borrow your eyes because I don't see from that screen-shot why the contrast between almost-black and almost-white is insufficient to read the text! Why to create a problem when it's easy avoidable?
You don't need to borrow anything. If people post about it here - it means they have noticed it and it bothers them.
Is there any valuable reason to push reduced contrast on them? Let us know.
We all have different vision, different monitors. Mine, e.g. has 133 DPI and you know what it means. It's not a fun to read smaller then normal font with reduced contrast. Personally, I do not have problem with yellowish background (I guess you need it if you want to get rid from side borders), but it's noticeably worse for me to see a gray (color: #3F3F3F;) text on it and not a plain black one.
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It's perfectly readable for me at 1024x768/32 bit on a 14" laptop LCD using all default themes. WinXP Pro SP2 and Firefox 2.0.0.3 and no extensions.
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ShootToThril
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the main problem with the new format is that most people have their monitors set very high on contrast settings, with new LCD monitors getting brighter and brighter some of the people on DSLR who don't calibrate their monitor will find it extremely hard to read or get the true colors used.
I suggest that people first calibrate their monitor's Contrast, Brightness & Gamma and then check see if it still a problem.
A good link to do so:
»www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/ |
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Mele20
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| I have my monitor properly calibrated.
My monitor, which was ranked in tests both by PCWorld and Consumer Reports in the summer of 2003, as the best flat panel LCD 19" monitor available and that sold for almost $800 then fails almost all those tests at that link you gave. But I think that is not the monitor. It is probably my eyesight. I'm facing cataract surgery at $5000 for Crystalens implants this summer. In the contrast test there, I could only make out the one just above (only half of it) and the bottom line only. I couldn't see any above that.
I have enough difficulty using the internet without DSLreports making it even more difficult. The text on the yellow is NOT BLACK. It is GRAY. This produces significant reduced visibility on an LCD that already doesn't do black color like a CRT does. I probably should never have gotten an LCD. I had never used one before I bought mine. There are no computer stores to go into and try monitors (now Office Max has them on display but there was nowhere in 2003 for me to try LCD flat panel monitors). So, I did a lot of reading and bought the best one. I couldn't get a 19" Trinitron CRT as Sony had stopped making them and a 20" was too heavy plus would not fit on my desk. So, I really had no choice (as I did not want any CRT other than a larger Trinitron than the 17" I had) than to buy an LCD. I got the best one. It was given raves here in various threads.
It is my aging eyes that are mostly the problem (coupled with the black color problem on all LCDs). I am surprised to read that Justin doesn't seem to care about problems that boomers and older folks are having now with their eyes aging but I don't think that is actually true. I think it is more that because his eyes are great that he can't understand what many of us struggle with when using computers and the internet rather than that he understands but doesn't care. I can't see why we can't be given a toggle switch and those that want this (who have young, great eyes) can use it and those of us who already struggle to read on our monitors don't have to endure this added burden.
The pale yellow background (garish, vivid yellow on my Trinitron) on the LCD is not just for the default theme. It is what I see using the Canadian theme. I don't want to change themes and the only other theme I really like is the default one which also has this pale yellow with gray font according to Justin.
The problem is two fold: aging eyes and LCD monitors which cannot display black as black. This inability to display black as black on LCDs is the reason that most reviews for TVs these days recommend Plasma over LCD because Plasma, like the old tube TVs and CRT monitors, can display black as black but the LCDs cannot as TVs or computer monitors. So, there already is a problem with contrast and black never being black on LCDs and when you introduce that yellow background it makes the black font (which isn't really black anyhow) look even less black so it appears dark gray and consequently is even harder to read. These problems are probably not apparent to young, healthy eyes but they sure are to older eyes especially when presbyopia (which is the beginning stage of what eventually becomes cataracts that have to be removed) sets in after 40.
Is this a possible solution? Have all posts in the forums have the gray background ...don't alternate with white like currently. I can read this dark gray text on light yellow (on the Canadian Theme) without much difficulty when the post has the gray background. It is the posts with white background and the pale yellow with dark gray text that is so hard to read.
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justin
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Brooklyn, NY | maybe take a picture of your special monitor with a digital camera (please let it be in focus and not super close-up) and post it? |
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Gizy
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Considering how much time I spend in the DI forum, and photo editing, that's a dangerous assumption to make.
And you're going to ask that everyone who comes into DSLR calibrates their monitor before using the site? Good luck with that one.
It's obviously an issue for some of us, and we've voiced that. If it's not a big enough problem for the quoting to go back to the way it was, that's fine. I'll stick with my work around.
*edit*
I went to your link and my monitor is calibrated correctly.
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PetePuma
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said by justin :maybe take a picture of your special monitor with a digital camera (please let it be in focus and not super close-up) and post it? I think it's fine, no monitor adjustment needed.
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justin
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said by justin :The (very) light background yellow is in the default theme, not the others. If someone says that it is unreadable, post a screenshot to demonstrate this. Yes, it's not unreadable, but it still looks "washed out" to me with the yellow background.
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said by Gizy :And you're going to ask that everyone who comes into DSLR calibrates their monitor before using the site? Good luck with that one. Maybe Justin is part developer, part BOFH? 
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Rob A
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I hate the ugly yellow, but I'll get over it in time... |
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Dersgniw
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Mine looks like your screenshot, but a little smaller. The yellow is fine on my screen, but the text is a bit too small or light. Would prefer a darker text.
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INTENS1
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| said by Dersgniw :Mine looks like your screenshot, but a little smaller. The yellow is fine on my screen, but the text is a bit too small or light. Would prefer a darker text. I can live with the yellow, but like you, I would prefer a darker text.
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