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Re: Scientific fact > hysteria

*sigh*...

I had hoped that the sarcasm in the second sentence would have made the same in the first sentence obvious.
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reply to CrazyFingers
That's an interesting question actually, since income taxes were unconstitutional until the Sixteenth Amendment. It certainly doesn't seem that the Founders of the country could have ever imagined an income tax, so it really does raise some thorny issues of original intent.

reply to pnh102
Well, as long as you don't take the nukular option...
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reply to karthwyne
Maybe global warming is happening. Maybe it's not. Here's a perspective from a climate scientist in New Zealand:

Global warming debunked
By ANDREW SWALLOW - The Timaru Herald | Saturday, 19 May 2007

Climate change will be considered a joke in five years time, meteorologist Augie Auer told the annual meeting of Mid Canterbury Federated Farmers in Ashburton this week.

Man's contribution to the greenhouse gases was so small we couldn't change the climate if we tried, he maintained.

"It is time to attack the myth of global warming," he said.

Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm, he explained.
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The other greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen dioxide, and various others including CFCs, contributed only five per cent of the effect, carbon dioxide being by far the greatest contributor at 3.6 per cent.

However, carbon dioxide as a result of man's activities was only 3.2 per cent of that, hence only 0.12 per cent of the greenhouse gases in total. Human-related methane, nitrogen dioxide and CFCs etc made similarly minuscule contributions to the effect: 0.066, 0.047 and 0.046 per cent respectively.
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"We couldn't do it (change the climate) even if we wanted to because water vapour dominates."
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"It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt," he said.

i don't know if you realize that is the first article that was posted for the "no such thing as global warming" earlier, but it does not reference any actual studies.

but regardless, his argument is flawed. yes, without greenhouse gases the planet would be just like outer space, scorching on the sun facing side, and almost absolute zero on the dark side (that's -459.67°F), so if we take a temperature range of 500°, that means that even his admitted numbers add up to a change of +1.395°. that kind of temperature change in the ocean means 10x the number and violence of storms. I don't believe that his numbers are realistic though.

besides, his argument is like saying that adding adding a drop of ricin to a glass of pure water is harmless because it is still 99.999% water.

reply to sporkme
Ah, who cares? In 50 years I'll be gone and won't be dealing with it. I hope those who are (on both sides of this argument) manage to grow gills by then. And horns. You'll need the former to breathe and the latter to defend yourself.

Enjoy the future!

This story is about absolute hysteria regarding something even the biggest dolt can see is not a problem. Turning it into yet another global warming discussion is just as stupid.

The climate is changing. Nobody is really sure why. The only certainty is that those alive 100 years from now will be living in different weather than we are now. Whether that is a good thing or not depends on those gills and horns.
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reply to Stumbles
Gee, wow, if you had any sort of scientific knowledge, you would see the problem with that argument... But alas, that argument was generated by a blow hard with no scientific background at all.

While volcanoes did and do generate large amounts of CO2, the amounts produced were balanced by a large rainforests and temperate forest systems that could handle it. So, the CO2 that was released balanced out. With the addition of man-made CO2, we've created a surplus of CO2 on top of what the forests can handle. Not to mention the pesky problem of rampant global deforestation reducing the CO2 carrying capacity of the atmosphere. Not to mention the affect that particulate emissions have had in reducing the warming effect of CO2. And on and on and on...

Sorry, the volcano argument falls flat.
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Prove it...

Gee wow, another imbecile spouting something as fact but no fact to back up just how much CO2 biomass consumes.

Since you have all the facts, how much?
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reply to CrazyFingers
AND...I suppose we with our combustion engines, etc. are causing the temperature on Mars and the rest of the solar system to rise in unison.

Most people have no doubt that global warming is happening. We just disagree with the largely unproven notion that mankind is the major contributor to the problem. I would more believe that the great ball of burning gas in the sky has a great bit of culpability. Really, IMHO (and that's all it is) the population is starting to grow wise to this scam being perpetrated upon us. This is why there is such a big media push behind the global warming movement. (One last hurrah before global cooling begins. AND that would be a disaster because then many of these radical far-left leaning organizations would not be able to control CO2 production--thus not be able to control the means of production. For in an industrialized nation, there are very few economic activities that do not produce CO2. Poor Al Gore wouldn't be able to sell any carbon credits.)
Time's almost up... and time will tell.

I also love those graphs depicting rising CO2 levels and their effect on temperature (PSST...what they don't tell you is they are backwards on cause and effect. With higher temperatures come higher CO2 measurements, not the other way around--a bit "Inconvenient" for some people.)

Wow--another thought: Water vapor is a major greenhouse gas. How do we stop water from evaporating?

For some it is a way to make us, as a civilization, feel important somehow when really we are just specks of dust along for the ride. OR is there a bigger more sinister reason that is oblivious to even those who are followers to the cause? There is a true Lord of the Sith--and it's not the bumbling dolt known as George Bush. He is the financier of all things left. His first name though, is also George.

AND for the last time: CO2 is not a pollutant--it's plant food!
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reply to moonpuppy
A normal intelligent people should consider all possibilities that can destroy mankind in the furure. Always be careful when say like "We can never fly", "We can never land on the moon", "Asteroid is no harm to human".

That's why we have the ability to learn, expolore and advance. We never know. There is always somthing obvious and other things not obvious.

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