Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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Re: Scientific fact > hysteria
Ahh there's nothing like a good round of pseudo-science and ignoring some inconvenient truths to trump up so much hysteria. Of course only the non-thinking gullible types would buy into this sort of thing. Since these hysterical types have been sufficiently distracted they should try throwing themselves at the ground. They just might get lucky and start flying. |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
iraq | You mean the religious right.. They're the 'hysterical' types we all despise |
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO | Well, if you're going to believe in one fairytale, you might as well go all-in.
/me waits for the fundies to start squawking.
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | reply to Stumbles
Sounds exactly like the whole man-made global warming hype to me. Not quite as pervasive, but at least some true scientists are starting to speak up and call foul. |
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO | BZZZZZT!
Oh, I'm sorry, but thank you for playing.
We have some lovely parting gifts for you.
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
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| Ummm.. there ARE options out there besides gargling the Kool-Aid of the Week you know...
»www.stuff.co.nz/timaruherald/406···571.html
»epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm?···ssue_id=
There's plenty more out there -- are you willing to read and analyze both sides of the story, or just accept what's splashed around the headlines? |
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
| Oh my god, you've shown me the light!
The veil has been lifted, and now I see!
Look what else I found on the internets:
http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicapollo.html
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm
Thank you so much for showing me that The Truth is Out There, because I Want to Believe!
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karthwyne
join:2003-04-27
Atlanta, GA
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i bet that there are plenty more "articles" like that out there: NEITHER one of them gives any facts nor debunks any facts, they are total propaganda.
will there be climatic Armageddon in 5 years, of course not; will the skeptics have any more proof one way or the other in five years, also no.
and a list of people who believe a certain thing does not make it so, however much you might wish it did. just look at religion, millions and millions of people believe completely contradictory things. i am sure we could compile lists of scientists that are christian, muslim, pagan, Buddhist, agnostic, and atheist, but that doesn't prove anything. |
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jester121
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It's truly amazing that otherwise rational people are afflicted with brain freeze when anyone questions their views on climate change.
Isn't this all about science? Isn't questioning things the very basis of science? Why are people so willing to believe that there is only one possibility, and it's theirs? Sounds more like religious fanaticism than science to me.
Environmentalist bigotry is perfectly acceptable these days, but that still doesn't make it sane. |
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jester121
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said by karthwyne  :...and a list of people who believe a certain thing does not make it so, however much you might wish it did. Sorry, I have to get the buzzer out now. Aren't we told over and over that climate change is a fact, because "all the world's top scientists believe it"?
You've illustrated my point perfectly, thanks.  |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by jester121 :Aren't we told over and over that climate change is a fact, because "all the world's top scientists believe it"? Heh... wasn't it only 500 years ago that all of the world's top scientists were telling us that the world was flat too?
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
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said by jester121 :It's truly amazing that otherwise rational people are afflicted with brain freeze when anyone questions their views on climate change Intelligent Design. Isn't this all about science? Isn't questioning things the very basis of science? Why are people so willing to believe that there is only one possibility, and it's theirs? Sounds more like religious atheist fanaticism than science to me. Environmentalist Darwinian bigotry is perfectly acceptable these days, but that still doesn't make it sane. I mean...as long as you're cooking up lists of people that claim to believe crackpot drivel supported by a couple of websites, we might as well toss IDers into the soup.
I'd love to hear your theories on the constitutionality of Federal income taxes.
And what about chupacabras?
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO
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Sorry, but 500 years ago, there was nobody that could even remotely be considered a "scientist" by modern standards. Those who tried were typically threatened with a nice dry stack of kindling until they "remembered" that the sun orbited the Earth and witches floated because they were made of wood.
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sporkme
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said by jester121 :Sounds exactly like the whole man-made global warming hype to me. Not quite as pervasive, but at least some true scientists are starting to speak up and call foul. No, you've got it backwards:
crazy unscientific wifi tinfoil crowd = the handful of oil "scientists" paid to still have "doubts" that the shit we spew out actually has some kind of effect on the planet
If you want to doubt science, join the tinfoil crowd. |
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moonpuppy
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said by karlmarx :You mean the religious right.. They're the 'hysterical' types we all despise Just like the radical left.  |
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL
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Hmm, I wonder how many 1000s of times more all the volcano's spew out CO2 compared to all the human activity in one year. Oh that's right volcano's have only been doing that for thousands of years while the recent human industrial/technological activities only amount to a few hundred. I wonder how a few hundred years trumps a 1000 years plus. |
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karthwyne
join:2003-04-27
Atlanta, GA
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2 edits | reply to jester121
actually, i have never heard that as a reason to believe in global warming, only the bush administration, ie your .gov website, has used that tactic to say why we shouldn't.
personally i like to follow the scientific method and base ideas on logic and fact.
like the ice core samples that show we should be on a cooling cycle in global temperature based on historical record and instead are warming.
like the fact that the polar ice caps are forming 2+ weeks later than they used to, and melting 2+ weeks sooner killing numerous polar bears by starvation.
or in response to the volcano argument, yes, there have been volcano eruptions, and eruptions that caused massive global warming and mass extinction, but we also had 2x the amount of rain forest, and probably a good 100x the amount of temperate forest. just compare the temperatures in a city with the country and you will see the affects man has made on a smaller scale. when europeans first made it to north america, it is said a squirrel could traverse from the atlantic to the pacific without touching the ground as the continent was covered in forests.
and to the guy in black mountain, NC, i'm sure you can smell the paper factory in canton some days, you think that is natural? would you rather drink the water upstream or downstream from them? |
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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said by CrazyFingers :Sorry, but 500 years ago, there was nobody that could even remotely be considered a "scientist" by modern standards. And how can you say that someone who is a scientist today by modern standards will be looked upon as such 500 years from now?
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CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01
Columbia, MO | Now now pnh106, we both know that is an absurd statement.
We'll all be dead in 500 years after the arctic icecaps melt and the polar bears descend on us in a feeding frenzy.
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pnh102
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Mount Airy, MD
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| said by CrazyFingers :Now now pnh106 (sic), we both know that is an absurd statement. Why? You just said the same thing about the "scientists" of old. I am extending your statement to the scientists of new. Science certainly isn't dead as an academic discipline, and for us to assume that we "know everything" is silly and dangerous. To quote one such scientist, "we do not know, what we don't know."
My main problem with simply "going with the consensus" on any subject is that it discourages academic review. It is just as bad as answering every scientific question with the response "God did it." Without review and challenging of accepted scientific principles, how will we know that they are valid or not?
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