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 CrazyFingers
join:2003-10-01 Columbia, MO | Re: Scientific fact > hysteria BZZZZZT!
Oh, I'm sorry, but thank you for playing. We have some lovely parting gifts for you. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria It's truly amazing that otherwise rational people are afflicted with brain freeze when anyone questions their views on climate change.
Isn't this all about science? Isn't questioning things the very basis of science? Why are people so willing to believe that there is only one possibility, and it's theirs? Sounds more like religious fanaticism than science to me.
Environmentalist bigotry is perfectly acceptable these days, but that still doesn't make it sane. | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria said by jester121 :It's truly amazing that otherwise rational people are afflicted with brain freeze when anyone questions their views on climate change Intelligent Design. Isn't this all about science? Isn't questioning things the very basis of science? Why are people so willing to believe that there is only one possibility, and it's theirs? Sounds more like religious atheist fanaticism than science to me. Environmentalist Darwinian bigotry is perfectly acceptable these days, but that still doesn't make it sane. I mean...as long as you're cooking up lists of people that claim to believe crackpot drivel supported by a couple of websites, we might as well toss IDers into the soup.
I'd love to hear your theories on the constitutionality of Federal income taxes.
And what about chupacabras? -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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join:2006-06-13 Gaithersburg, MD
| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria That's an interesting question actually, since income taxes were unconstitutional until the Sixteenth Amendment. It certainly doesn't seem that the Founders of the country could have ever imagined an income tax, so it really does raise some thorny issues of original intent. | |
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1 edit | i bet that there are plenty more "articles" like that out there: NEITHER one of them gives any facts nor debunks any facts, they are total propaganda.
will there be climatic Armageddon in 5 years, of course not; will the skeptics have any more proof one way or the other in five years, also no. and a list of people who believe a certain thing does not make it so, however much you might wish it did. just look at religion, millions and millions of people believe completely contradictory things. i am sure we could compile lists of scientists that are christian, muslim, pagan, Buddhist, agnostic, and atheist, but that doesn't prove anything. | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria said by karthwyne :...and a list of people who believe a certain thing does not make it so, however much you might wish it did. Sorry, I have to get the buzzer out now. Aren't we told over and over that climate change is a fact, because "all the world's top scientists believe it"?
You've illustrated my point perfectly, thanks.  | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria said by jester121 :Aren't we told over and over that climate change is a fact, because "all the world's top scientists believe it"? Heh... wasn't it only 500 years ago that all of the world's top scientists were telling us that the world was flat too?  -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria Sorry, but 500 years ago, there was nobody that could even remotely be considered a "scientist" by modern standards. Those who tried were typically threatened with a nice dry stack of kindling until they "remembered" that the sun orbited the Earth and witches floated because they were made of wood. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria said by CrazyFingers :Sorry, but 500 years ago, there was nobody that could even remotely be considered a "scientist" by modern standards. And how can you say that someone who is a scientist today by modern standards will be looked upon as such 500 years from now? -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2003-10-01 Columbia, MO | Re: Scientific fact > hysteria Now now pnh106, we both know that is an absurd statement.
We'll all be dead in 500 years after the arctic icecaps melt and the polar bears descend on us in a feeding frenzy. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria said by CrazyFingers :Now now pnh106 (sic), we both know that is an absurd statement. Why? You just said the same thing about the "scientists" of old. I am extending your statement to the scientists of new. Science certainly isn't dead as an academic discipline, and for us to assume that we "know everything" is silly and dangerous. To quote one such scientist, "we do not know, what we don't know."
My main problem with simply "going with the consensus" on any subject is that it discourages academic review. It is just as bad as answering every scientific question with the response "God did it." Without review and challenging of accepted scientific principles, how will we know that they are valid or not? -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2003-10-01 Columbia, MO | Re: Scientific fact > hysteria *sigh*...
I had hoped that the sarcasm in the second sentence would have made the same in the first sentence obvious. I over-estimated you. I'm sorry, I promise it won't happen again. -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria said by CrazyFingers :I over-estimated you. You misunderestimated me  -- Only SHATNER is Kirk. | |
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join:2003-10-01 Columbia, MO | Re: Scientific fact > hysteria Well, as long as you don't take the nukular option... -- Burrow owl...burrow owl... | |
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2 edits | actually, i have never heard that as a reason to believe in global warming, only the bush administration, ie your .gov website, has used that tactic to say why we shouldn't.
personally i like to follow the scientific method and base ideas on logic and fact. like the ice core samples that show we should be on a cooling cycle in global temperature based on historical record and instead are warming. like the fact that the polar ice caps are forming 2+ weeks later than they used to, and melting 2+ weeks sooner killing numerous polar bears by starvation.
or in response to the volcano argument, yes, there have been volcano eruptions, and eruptions that caused massive global warming and mass extinction, but we also had 2x the amount of rain forest, and probably a good 100x the amount of temperate forest. just compare the temperatures in a city with the country and you will see the affects man has made on a smaller scale. when europeans first made it to north america, it is said a squirrel could traverse from the atlantic to the pacific without touching the ground as the continent was covered in forests.
and to the guy in black mountain, NC, i'm sure you can smell the paper factory in canton some days, you think that is natural? would you rather drink the water upstream or downstream from them? | |
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria Maybe global warming is happening. Maybe it's not. Here's a perspective from a climate scientist in New Zealand:
Global warming debunked By ANDREW SWALLOW - The Timaru Herald | Saturday, 19 May 2007
Climate change will be considered a joke in five years time, meteorologist Augie Auer told the annual meeting of Mid Canterbury Federated Farmers in Ashburton this week.
Man's contribution to the greenhouse gases was so small we couldn't change the climate if we tried, he maintained.
"It is time to attack the myth of global warming," he said.
Water vapour was responsible for 95 per cent of the greenhouse effect, an effect which was vital to keep the world warm, he explained. ..... The other greenhouse gases: carbon dioxide, methane, nitrogen dioxide, and various others including CFCs, contributed only five per cent of the effect, carbon dioxide being by far the greatest contributor at 3.6 per cent.
However, carbon dioxide as a result of man's activities was only 3.2 per cent of that, hence only 0.12 per cent of the greenhouse gases in total. Human-related methane, nitrogen dioxide and CFCs etc made similarly minuscule contributions to the effect: 0.066, 0.047 and 0.046 per cent respectively. ..... "We couldn't do it (change the climate) even if we wanted to because water vapour dominates." ...... "It's become a witch-hunt; a Salem witch-hunt," he said. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |   karthwyne
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| Re: Scientific fact > hysteria i don't know if you realize that is the first article that was posted for the "no such thing as global warming" earlier, but it does not reference any actual studies.
but regardless, his argument is flawed. yes, without greenhouse gases the planet would be just like outer space, scorching on the sun facing side, and almost absolute zero on the dark side (that's -459.67°F), so if we take a temperature range of 500°, that means that even his admitted numbers add up to a change of +1.395°. that kind of temperature change in the ocean means 10x the number and violence of storms. I don't believe that his numbers are realistic though.
besides, his argument is like saying that adding adding a drop of ricin to a glass of pure water is harmless because it is still 99.999% water. | |
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