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| can't wait to see.. The HD-DVR boxes should be standard!! Network DVR should actually cost more.. set-top boxes should not be more than $10 per month.. because it's increasingly not as if you have a choice between getting one and not getting one.. Honestly, making a HD-DVR set-top is only at MOST $100 more per box on the wholesale level, and that's with a 500gb hard drive (let's not forget hard drive prices went DOWN, NOT UP).
I just can't wait to see cablevision and others jump on these added "DISCONNECT" and "INSTALLATION" and "CHANGE OF SERVICE FEES" as another VERIZON MONEY GRAB!! AND IT WILL BE THEIR OWN FAULT FOR BEING SO STUPID!!!
FYI: I haven't seen improvement #1 yet with FIOS TV.. and no truly local channels either. Also, 98% of widgets and added features FORCE YOU INTO A DVR BOX costing you lots extra.. so the customer backlash against high prices will commence very soon! | |
KenAF
join:2006-01-23
Arlington, VA
4 edits | said by tmc8080:Honestly, making a HD-DVR set-top is only at MOST $100 more per box on the wholesale level, and that's with a 500gb hard drive (let's not forget hard drive prices went DOWN, NOT UP). No. The Motorola DVR has a MSRP of $600. We don't know what FiOS pays for their model with support for IPTV and built-in MoCA networking, but Comcast uses a less expensive version and pays ~$480 per 160Gb DVR when ordering by the thousands. They've disclosed that in conferences with financial analysts.
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I just can't wait to see cablevision and others jump on these added "DISCONNECT" and "INSTALLATION" and "CHANGE OF SERVICE FEES" as another VERIZON MONEY GRAB!! AND IT WILL BE THEIR OWN FAULT FOR BEING SO STUPID!!!
Most cable providers already have fees for service visits to add or change equipment or services. My Comcast does.
Support visits don't cost anything with FiOS, just like they don't cost anything with Comcast.
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FYI: I haven't seen improvement #1 yet with FIOS TV.. and no truly local channels either. Also, 98% of widgets and added features FORCE YOU INTO A DVR BOX costing you lots extra.. so the customer backlash against high prices will commence very soon
Many people seem to forget:
1) There is no extra charge for HDTV or HDTV service with FiOS. There is no such thing as a "HDTV package" -- all digital channels (outside of premiums like HBO) are included with the base $42.99/mo subscription.
2) The current $12.99/mo DVR price is NOT in addition to set-top box fee, as it is with other cable providers. The $12.99/mo is IN PLACE OF the STB fee. The HDTV DVR costs just $3/mo more than the HDTV STB and $8/mo more than the standard STB. By the definition of DVR cost used by Comcast and Time Warner, the current FiOS DVR price is $8/mo and the the price after July 13 is $11/mo. Moreover, this increase does not affect customers who have the DVR prior to July 13.
3) If you don't want TV service, FiOS doesn't charge you anything extra for Internet service. With many cable providers, your Internet jumps by $10-$15/mo if you don't get TV service. That's not the case with FiOS -- FiOS Internet costs $39.99/mo for the 10/2 package without TV, and they give you a $5/mo bundle discount off TV (making it $37.99/mo) when you subscribe to both TV and Internet.
As for no improvements with FiOS, what planet are you living on? FiOS Internet delivers its full throughput 24/7, unlike most providers which typically provide full bandwidth for short periods, or during certain hours of the day. In Conn., Florida, Mass., New Jersey, New York, and Rhode Island, FiOS offers 20Mbps downstream and 5Mbps upstream for $49.99/mo (other markets get this speed upgrade later in 2007). This is sustained bandwidth, not peak bandwidth that you get for 30 seconds with Comcast's Powerboost.
FiOS also offers the highest-quality SD and HD quality available from any major provider in the United States. If you are still watching TV on a 32" screen, you may not care about the best high-definition picture quality, but you will when you get a new big screen TV. Most of the pixelization and blocking artifacts you see with high-definition cable channels on Dish, DirecTV, etc simply don't exist with the FiOS signal. FiOS is the closest you can get to Blu-ray quality for cable channels.
FiOS also has the capacity to carry all new HDTV channels, something most cable companies are unable to do thanks to their legacy of analog carriage. FiOS is the only service provider with the capacity TODAY to deliver more national HDTV channels than DirecTV can ever hope to deliver. My particular market has 27 HDTV channels today, some others have 30-32 HDTV channels, and FiOS has capacity for hundreds more. | |
KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to tmc8080
Fees are a fact of life with these companies. and they will always find ways to add new fees.
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| reply to KenAF
Actually I have not seen onje comparison of Cablevisions hd channels and fios hd channels.
Comparisons of their sd stuff yes but not hd.
Since cablevision gives you things like discovery hd for free. The box is the same price a month as a standard def box. Verizon charges you more for an hd non dvr box. | |
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·Verizon FiOS
| reply to KenAF
>3) If you don't want TV service, FiOS doesn't charge you >anything extra for Internet service. With many cable >providers, your Internet jumps by $10-$15/mo if you don't >get TV service. That's not the case with FiOS -- FiOS >Internet costs $39.99/mo for the 10/2 package without TV, >and they give you a $5/mo bundle discount off TV (making it >$37.99/mo) when you subscribe to both TV and Internet.
Symantics, Yes FIOS can deliver EACH service proprietary albeit at the highest month to month rate.. and required to be billed to a CREDIT CARD! But just try getting internet alone, then phone service via voip/3rd party and watch them whine about it... let's not forget the $69.99 installation charge in addition. Unfortunately there isn't really an apples to apples comparison due to bundling issues (POTS VS VOIP, set-top rental fee differences, powerboost prices, etc)
>As for no improvements with FiOS, what planet are you >living on?
Um, actually I was talking about the TV service, not the internet. 15/2 went to 20/5 for CERTAIN AREAS.. not system-wide despite some inklings that it might happen once cablecos get serious about using their docis 2.0 with further upgrades/nodesplits. However, much as the gasoline refineries unless their backs are against the wall, Gasoline doesn't have to get cheaper in the summertime or volume of production to rise. Put FIOS internet 20/5 for $50 a month with no installation charge and cable companies will raise their bar.. but since they have to buy cable-tv programming from these people does it really PAY to spit in their face with predatory pricing... you make the call!
>FiOS also offers the highest-quality SD and HD quality >available from any major provider in the United States. If >you are still watching TV on a 32" screen, you may not care >about the best high-definition picture quality, but you >will when you get a new big screen TV. Most of the >pixelization and blocking artifacts you see with >high-definition cable channels on Dish, DirecTV, etc simply >don't exist with the FiOS signal. FiOS is the closest you >can get to Blu-ray quality for cable channels.
Again, WRONG, absolutely wrong.. I've seen artifacts, picture freezes on a MOTOROLA QIP 2500-2 standard definition unit.. and LOOONG delays when changing channels (time to time).. Again Your Mileage May Vary (YMMV).. but my experience is crap sometimes, which I don't complain about until you ranted.. now I can vent here properly in front of HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of Verizon customers and potential Verizon customers and I'm NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN VOUCH FOR occasional ARTIFACTS/DIGITAL BLOCKYNESS IF YOU WATCH TV LONG ENOUGH-- Fiber optics has absolutely nothing to do with this.. its the crap set-top.. almost anything made today with that mpeg crap streamed will glitch from time to time.. welcome to the digital era where things are not 100% perfect 24/7/365. | |
mglunt
join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA
2 edits | I have FIOS TV and Internet (No phone) and I am billed with paper billing. I don't need to have a Credit card, and I can pay the bill using E-Bills from my bank or online at Verizon's site.
I have phone service via VoIP from a 3rd party. The number was ported and the billing issues with Verizon were not a problem.
The Installation was free with a 1 year agreement... and there is no way I'll be going back to Comcast who charges $57.95 for a 4Mbps connection if you don't have their crappy TV service. I can get 30/5 from Verizon for less than that.
Oh, and the Increases are for new customers / new additions of set-top boxes. My bill will still show the old HD DVR price. | | |
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| reply to tmc8080
Actually, no, they do not. If you already have VZ for POTS, your FIOS charges (all of them) will appear on the same paper bill. In fact, you can move your VZW charges there also (»www.verizon.com/onebill). The only reason they would have for CC billing (and that is only for the one-time fees) would be if you have a previous (bad) history with VZ *and* you are re-establishing service with FIOS *or* you have a poor credit history period and are establishing *new* service.
Can you get FIOS Internet alone? Of *course* you can; in fact, none of the seven customers on my own street that have FIOS has anything more than Internet and/or phone (none of the seven has FIOS TV). The common reason why VoIP over FIOS has issues has nothing to do with VZ, but a lot to do with older *home security systems* (certain older home-security system setups (pioneered by ADT, but also sold to third-party providers) have compatibility issues with FIOS; these systems were all manufactured prior to 1998). Other than that, there is *no* incompatibility between FIOS and VoIP any more than there was between xDSL and VoIP. | |
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