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Oleg
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Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits


maartena
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said by Oleg See Profile :

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits
Most people actually have 1.5 Mbps DSL, I know a few that have 768 Kbps DSL. Sure, there are faster options available, and I have a faster connection. But the AVERAGE is still fairly low. Its a good thing even the 1.5 Mbps DSL already comes with 384 Kbps upload, or the upload average would be a lot lower.
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en102
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reply to Oleg
Hmm - where you have those stats ?

I suspect that this may include everything from 256kbps to max.

There is probably a significant amount of people using 1.5Mbps/384kbps on at&t lines (doesn't at&t have something like 19 million DSL subs?), and then I suspect many others just go for the basic packages. It still seems a little low.
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gatorkram
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reply to Oleg
said by Oleg See Profile :

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits
I can make up stats out of thin air too.
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forrestin
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reply to Oleg
I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.


Oleg
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reply to gatorkram
What I am saying Is most of heavy users have 3mbits+ dsl or cable.


TK Junk Mail
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May 23rd, @04:23PM

reply to Oleg
said by Oleg See Profile :

This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits
The CWA did this comparison in a half assed stupid manner. Anyone surprised? They took their numbers from speed tests run at NYC.speakeasy.net. And they took the foreign country speeds from published ISP claims.

As to the NYC.Speakeasy.net tests:
1 - they were run from all over the country and not just from users near NYC as is typically the case when measuring speeds.
2 - the sample was not a random one. Meaning it was users self selecting to run the test from a link at the CWA web site. Further invalidating the results.
3 - The results weren't adjusted for sample error by adjusting for the differing numbers of users from the ISP's and their user bases.

In effect, the results are statistically meaningless.
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inteller
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reply to Oleg
well, unfortunately for the US, not everyone is a heavy user. You can't exclude the outliers just because you feel like it.


Tzale
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reply to forrestin
said by forrestin See Profile :

I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.
The truth is that even Canada where 90% of the population is within 100 miles of the U.S. border only gets 7mbps average.
You can't compare us to other countries... It's as simple as that, they are densely populated, we are really spread out. I also find it amazing we're "1.9mbps" and the others are round numbers, almost like they pulled the numbers out of their asses.

What is the point in comparing these numbers? All that I know is that I can get 30mbps down / 5 mbps up and I'm happy, and FIOS is rolling out across the country. It's frigging internet service, not 911.. Don't get so upset if you are in the sticks and you can't get quality bandwidth.

-Tzale

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reply to Oleg
So which is it, "average" users, or "heavy" users? Your two posts contradict each other.


Siryak

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reply to Tzale
said by Tzale See Profile :

said by forrestin See Profile :

I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.
Don't get so upset if you are in the sticks and you can't get quality bandwidth.

-Tzale
Go use dial-up or satellite for a few months and then come back and say that. It is easy to say suck it up and live with it whenever you already have the best.
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reply to Oleg
North America 4223 kb/s 813 kb/s
Australasia 3340 kb/s 474 kb/s
Europe 3284 kb/s 777 kb/s
Asia 2132 kb/s 661 kb/s
South America 795 kb/s 262 kb/s
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Tzale
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reply to Siryak
said by Siryak See Profile :

said by Tzale See Profile :

said by forrestin See Profile :

I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.
Don't get so upset if you are in the sticks and you can't get quality bandwidth.

-Tzale
Go use dial-up or satellite for a few months and then come back and say that. It is easy to say suck it up and live with it whenever you already have the best.
We live in a Capitalistic FREE society... It's your problem if you're living somewhere where broadband service is unavailable or sucks. Want better service? Move or wait.

No single person or organization is responsible for this, we are all equally responsible for services that are profitable/unprofitable in this country. If it's unprofitable, don't expect a corporation to waste their time on you.

-Tzale
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average sped

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reply to Oleg
average is meant to include everyone even those who live to far out to get the advertised speeds


maartena
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reply to Oleg
said by Oleg See Profile :

What I am saying Is most of heavy users have 3mbits+ dsl or cable.
Most HEAVY users. The heavy users are only a minority though. On DSLreports.com you will find a large number of heavy users, because this site attracts the more tech-savy people, and people interested in broadband generally.

I can however GUARANTEE you that out of the 25+ people I know that have DSL or cable, NONE of them have ever heard of DSLreports, and NONE of them have any type of premium package because they want more speed. Half of them have whatever the cheapest DSL package is.
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maartena
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reply to Tzale
said by Tzale See Profile :

You can't compare us to other countries... It's as simple as that, they are densely populated, we are really spread out.
First off, although 90% of Canada lives near the U.S. border, they also have only about 30 million inhabitants. Southern Ontario (the 100 miles closest to the US and Toronto Area) is pretty much the same as Pennsylvania or Ohio if you are looking at population density.

Second, it doesn't explain why there are so many large metropolitan areas in the U.S. that still have lousy broadband. In the Greater Los Angeles Area, about 0.3% of the population can actually get FIOS, although about 50% of the population are connected to Verizon, (the other half is AT&T/former SBC). If you want to go fast, Time Warner is your only option. There are no DSL2 and hardly any FIOS rollouts in the Los Angeles area.

And to compare once again to a foreign country: There are several European countries who started offering DSL2 as early as 2004 with 12 to 20 Mbps downstream and 1 Mbps upstream. Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities.

Why is it that a 50 million people city like Tokyo can be fibered up for more then 50% already, and the United States can't even fiber up Manhattan?
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Tzale
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said by maartena See Profile :

said by Tzale See Profile :

You can't compare us to other countries... It's as simple as that, they are densely populated, we are really spread out.
First off, although 90% of Canada lives near the U.S. border, they also have only about 30 million inhabitants. Southern Ontario (the 100 miles closest to the US and Toronto Area) is pretty much the same as Pennsylvania or Ohio if you are looking at population density.

Second, it doesn't explain why there are so many large metropolitan areas in the U.S. that still have lousy broadband. In the Greater Los Angeles Area, about 0.3% of the population can actually get FIOS, although about 50% of the population are connected to Verizon, (the other half is AT&T/former SBC). If you want to go fast, Time Warner is your only option. There are no DSL2 and hardly any FIOS rollouts in the Los Angeles area.

And to compare once again to a foreign country: There are several European countries who started offering DSL2 as early as 2004 with 12 to 20 Mbps downstream and 1 Mbps upstream. Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities.

Why is it that a 50 million people city like Tokyo can be fibered up for more then 50% already, and the United States can't even fiber up Manhattan?
I am fully aware of the population of Canada. They are still a much smaller area to cover than here in the States. LA doesn't have "lousy" broadband... FIOS is being rolled out as fast as it can be, what do you want them to do???? It's a service, not frigging life support.

And just so you know Verizon IS wiring up Manhattan and the surround tri-state area... My town is being wired as we speak... I wouldn't say NY doesn't have broadband options, it is the telecommunications capitol of the world and they DO have a variety of services. Europe is much more dense than the United States. There is a lot of work that needs to be done in the United States, but we aren't as bad as you guys make it out to be.

FIOS/FTTH is the future, Verizon is working hard on getting it rolled out. They just started a few years ago, give them time. It's not easy replacing all the copper with fiber, it will take 10-15 years for 99% of their customers to receive service, but they are quickly making progress in urban areas as we speak.

-Tzale
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Siryak

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reply to Tzale
said by Tzale See Profile :

We live in a Capitalistic FREE society... It's your problem if you're living somewhere where broadband service is unavailable or sucks. Want better service? Move or wait.

No single person or organization is responsible for this, we are all equally responsible for services that are profitable/unprofitable in this country. If it's unprofitable, don't expect a corporation to waste their time on you.

-Tzale
Use dial-up or satellite for a few months, heck even for a day, and then come back and say that.
The fact of the matter is city folk need us and we need them. If the city folk stop scratching the country folks back then the country folk are going to stop scratching theirs. The fact of the matter is most people including country people use the internet today and are not willing to live without. If you run the majority of the country people to the city then where is our food going to come from? I for one live in the country not by choice, but because I am 17 and this is where my parents live so I don't get a choice. Because there is no decent internet out here I will not be staying in the country and I am going to move to where there is some decent internet whenever I graduate and go to college. The world is shifting to be highly dependent on the internet. I seriously doubt I am not the only one that is not willing to "suck it up and deal with it." So if everyone starts moving to the city who is going to grow/raise our nations food? While the older people may not move, the nations youth that will be growing/raising our food in the future will be a different story.
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batterup
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reply to maartena
I don't care about those people, I care about ME.

These are the speeds in Dover, Verizon's FiOS can kick those people's ass any day. Japan a pitiful 1200 kbs up. Pirate Bay spits on their connection.

Much faster speeds are available from Verizon but the people don't know what to do with them.

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maartena
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reply to Tzale
Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps

said by Tzale See Profile :

FIOS/FTTH is the future, Verizon is working hard on getting it rolled out. They just started a few years ago, give them time. It's not easy replacing all the copper with fiber, it will take 10-15 years for 99% of their customers to receive service, but they are quickly making progress in urban areas as we speak.
Unfortunately, Verizon only controls about 33% of the US market, and their main competitors like AT&T aren't bringing fiber to the home.

Verizon is also serving a lot of areas that are in the middle of nowhere, and eventually, in the next 10 years or so, maybe 20% of the US population will have access to fiber to the home, while those who live in AT&T, QWest, or other territories will probably have to wait till they realize that DSL really isn't going to cut it.....
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