 damox Premium join:2002-01-07 Olympia, WA
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| reply to ColorBASIC Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps
said by ColorBASIC :said by damox :said by Oleg :This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits And just how did you figure that? Do you have a source, or is that you guess? » www.speedtest.net/global.php Of course that only figures in the folks that actually do speed tests and not only speed tests, but speed tests at "Speedtest.com". I would guess that the majority of Internet users, broadband or otherwise, do not ever check their bandwidth at such sites. I guarantee that 99.9% of dial-up users, never check their bandwidth, cause they already know that it's SLOW! Also one would have to ask, what percentage of all internet users actually check their bandwidth at Speedtest.com? How accurate are these sites considering some ISPs like Comcast use tools that fool these sites, such as "Power Boost". Power Boost makes your available bandwidth seem more than it actually is. -- DAMOX Proud to be a member of Team Discovery |
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| reply to Siryak said by Siryak :So you would rather let food prices rise than pay a small tax on your internet bill? To each his own I guess. Don't be ridiculous. It's the same thing -- except with the free market you keep government coercion out of it, and people make their own choices. |
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| reply to KUppiano said by KUppiano :said by Siryak :said by KUppiano :Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers. In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even. It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer. Yes, but most people don't think it should ever happen. My same argument above would have applied to electricity and telephone if they wouldn't have made a bill making it mandatory. We would not have any people to raise our food if they didn't force the electric and telephone companies to provide for us, because everyone would have moved to the city. Electricity and telephone is not required to get by, but who in their right mind would go without it. Internet is becoming the same way. Wages and prices are nature's communication channel telling people the true value of goods and services. Currently, it is simply too expensive to wire the countryside with these high-tech amenities. Many people would live in the country because they prefer the lifestyle. Without high-speed internet. Or phones. Or even electricity for that matter. Face it, we humans spent the vast bulk of our time on this planet without those things, and we flourished quite handily, thank you very much. Even if farmers started moving to the city, it wouldn't happen overnight. The gradual reduction of the food supply would cause a gradual increase in farm prices, and we would reach a new equilibrium. Maybe farmers would make enough money that they could afford to bring high-speed internet to the country for the true cost of doing it, instead of the government forcing the city folk to pay for it whether anyone really wanted it enough to pay for it of their own free will. So you would rather let food prices rise than pay a small tax on your internet bill? To each his own I guess. -- Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows MCE SP2 |
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join:2006-05-30 Scarborough, ON | reply to Tzale 7 my arse. I doubt it's anything over 2.5. If it matters the future of canadian internet is satellite internet from America because it will be much cheaper in price as our prices rise and your prices fall. |
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  cork1958 Cork
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| reply to mike23ss said by mike23ss :
oi! you think you've got it bad in the usa!!!..haha.. we don't get anywhere near that average here.. but i wonder what the hell you need a 61mb connection for anyway!!?? Yeah, I was wondering that too. (About the 61mb connection) -- Yep, we're back to Windows and Opera!! |
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  batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
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| reply to tamovies said by tamovies :Your wrong about DSL2! I can get it in Maine! » www.gwi.net/residential/highspeed/index.htmlsaid by maartena :said by Tzale : Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities. Don't worry, FairPoint will gladly maintain a 20 Mbps copper loop for CLECs. Heck @ $55 a month there is plenty of money to pay the coolies FairPoint will bring in. |
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  batterup I Can Not Tell A Lie. Premium join:2003-02-06 Netcong, NJ clubs:
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| reply to sitrix Re: I don't care about those people, I care about ME.
said by sitrix :And there is GigE available in HK for under $100 last I recall, as there are similar packages available in some parts of Japan, so what's your point? Fact is that those services aren't available everywhere in Asia as Verizon FiOS isn't available everywhere in US. In the end, their average speed is a lot higher then ours any way you look at it. Totally, absolutely, 100% wrong. You have been reading TeleTruth again haven't you?
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  ColorBASIC 8-bit Fun Premium join:2006-12-29 Corona, CA
| reply to damox Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps
said by damox :said by Oleg :This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits And just how did you figure that? Do you have a source, or is that you guess? »www.speedtest.net/global.php -- Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire |
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 KUppiano Karl Uppiano
join:2003-02-02 Ferndale, WA
| reply to Siryak said by Siryak :said by KUppiano :Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers. In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even. It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer. Yes, but most people don't think it should ever happen. My same argument above would have applied to electricity and telephone if they wouldn't have made a bill making it mandatory. We would not have any people to raise our food if they didn't force the electric and telephone companies to provide for us, because everyone would have moved to the city. Electricity and telephone is not required to get by, but who in their right mind would go without it. Internet is becoming the same way. Wages and prices are nature's communication channel telling people the true value of goods and services. Currently, it is simply too expensive to wire the countryside with these high-tech amenities.
Many people would live in the country because they prefer the lifestyle. Without high-speed internet. Or phones. Or even electricity for that matter. Face it, we humans spent the vast bulk of our time on this planet without those things, and we flourished quite handily, thank you very much.
Even if farmers started moving to the city, it wouldn't happen overnight. The gradual reduction of the food supply would cause a gradual increase in farm prices, and we would reach a new equilibrium. Maybe farmers would make enough money that they could afford to bring high-speed internet to the country for the true cost of doing it, instead of the government forcing the city folk to pay for it whether anyone really wanted it enough to pay for it of their own free will. |
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  Portmonkey scurvy Premium join:2004-04-09 Southern IL
| reply to KUppiano Average would be nice, but I don't think it is something people will ever see in this little one horse town here in Southern IL. $45 per month for 1Mbit/128 (DSL) and that's only if you also subscribe to their long distance phone service, otherwise it's $55 per month. I'd happily move for no other reason than to have more bandwidth at a better price, but it's just not in the budget at the moment among other reasons for needing to stay here. New technology to overcome this problem would be welcome, but I guess there's not enough people in this area to make it worth consideration. About the only good part of DSL in this area is that it is very reliable for what it is considering I don't remember the last time service was down. |
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| reply to Oleg id love to see respectable uploads offered for once. the tech world acts like the bandwith itself costs more to move but in truth as long as you have the room on your networks a router running at 10% costs the same as it running at 100%. the internet isnt a power plant that uses more resources at peak. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports |
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| reply to Oleg said by Oleg :This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits And just how did you figure that? Do you have a source, or is that you guess? -- DAMOX Proud to be a member of Team Discovery |
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  sitrix
join:2002-04-15 Tacoma, WA
1 edit | reply to batterup Re: I don't care about those people, I care about ME.
And there is GigE available in HK for under $100 last I recall, as there are similar packages available in some parts of Japan, so what's your point? Fact is that those services aren't available everywhere in Asia as Verizon FiOS isn't available everywhere in US. In the end, their average speed is a lot higher then ours any way you look at it. |
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  JammerMan79 Premium,VIP join:2004-05-13 Prince George, BC
1 edit | reply to Snickerdo Re: Average U.S. Broadband Speed: 1.9Mbps
exactly... so 90% lives within 100 miles of the US.. what about the other 10% (3 million people) who are further away... MOST of them can get broadband as well. -- I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications. |
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  Snickerdo Premium join:2001-02-28 Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to JammerMan79 said by JammerMan79 :I've asked people before to give me a few cities in BC or AB and I'll check to see if adsl services are available there... Unless it's really, really rural chances are they can get it. ... and if they can't get DSL, they can get cable or 3Mbit/s wireless or something. 1.9Mbit/s for a country with a similar population density and urban population as Canada is pathetic and of no excuse. The USA is becoming what Australia was a few years ago - crap when it comes to broadband. -- Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal. Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca |
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  JammerMan79 Premium,VIP join:2004-05-13 Prince George, BC
| reply to Snickerdo I've asked people before to give me a few cities in BC or AB and I'll check to see if adsl services are available there... Unless it's really, really rural chances are they can get it. -- I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications. |
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  Snickerdo Premium join:2001-02-28 Niagara Falls, ON
| reply to Tzale said by Tzale :The truth is that even Canada where 90% of the population is within 100 miles of the U.S. border only gets 7mbps average. You can't compare us to other countries Canada is slightly more urban than the USA, but not by much. Simply put, the USA has absolutely zero excuse when a country just as spread out like Canada can get 7Mbit/s to someone in the middle of nowhere. -- Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal. Yes, I CanChat. Can You? www.fiberal.ca |
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| reply to maartena Your wrong about DSL2! I can get it in Maine! »www.gwi.net/residential/highspeed/index.html
said by maartena :said by Tzale : Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities. |
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  Siryak
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·WildBlue
| reply to KUppiano said by KUppiano :Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers. In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even. It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer. Yes, but most people don't think it should ever happen. My same argument above would have applied to electricity and telephone if they wouldn't have made a bill making it mandatory. We would not have any people to raise our food if they didn't force the electric and telephone companies to provide for us, because everyone would have moved to the city. Electricity and telephone is not required to get by, but who in their right mind would go without it. Internet is becoming the same way. -- Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows MCE SP2 |
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 KUppiano Karl Uppiano
join:2003-02-02 Ferndale, WA
| reply to Siryak Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers.
In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even.
It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer. |
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