 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA | Speedtest.net says differently They feature test servers from all over the world and they show the average test from Japan at under 10Mb average, and Japan is the fastest.
Looks to me this is just another group with a vested interest in spending money on deployment and they'll cherrypick stats or simply invent them to meet those ends.
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 Frankis chillingPremium
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somewhere | said by ColorBASIC:They feature test servers from all over the world and they show the average test from Japan at under 10Mb average, and Japan is the fastest. Looks to me this is just another group with a vested interest in spending money on deployment and they'll cherrypick stats or simply invent them to meet those ends. It has nothign to do with vested interests, it's going to say 10mbps because the speed test is based out of the us. From my experience, the farther away you are from a server the slower the speeds you will get.
i live in the us in nj
here's my speed test result to a server in nyc.
here's my speed test result to a server in japan:
and i'm on a supposed 30mbps/5mbps cable internet connection (optonline.net boost).
If the japanese are getting 10mbps on a server in the us that's pretty damned good considering it's halfway across the world.
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 batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ
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| said by Frank:here's my speed test result to a server in nyc. 83 ms to NY is not what a gamer would want. I could ride my bike there faster then that.
Tracing route to www.nyc.gov [152.63.16.194 ]
Hop 1 IP 192.168.x.x Time : 0 (dslrouter)
Hop 2 IP 10.5.28.1 Time : 7 (not resolved)
Hop 3 IP 130.81.4.9 Time : 7 (so-0-1-2-0.CORE-RTR1.NWRK.verizon-gni.net | .NET | Network)
Hop 4 IP 130.81.20.160 Time : 7 (so-7-2-0-0.BB-RTR1.NWRK.verizon-gni.net | .NET | Network)
Hop 5 IP 152.63.19.177 Time : 7 (0.so-5-0-0.XL1.EWR6.ALTER.NET | .NET | Network)
Hop 6 IP 152.63.16.194 Time : 7 (0.so-6-Hop 11 |
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA
3 edits | reply to Frank
said by Frank:said by ColorBASIC:They feature test servers from all over the world and they show the average test from Japan at under 10Mb average, and Japan is the fastest. Looks to me this is just another group with a vested interest in spending money on deployment and they'll cherrypick stats or simply invent them to meet those ends. It has nothign to do with vested interests, it's going to say 10mbps because the speed test is based out of the us. From my experience, the farther away you are from a server the slower the speeds you will get. i live in the us in nj . . . If the japanese are getting 10mbps on a server in the us that's pretty damned good considering it's halfway across the world. You just contradicted yourself. In one line you say it's because they're based in the US, in the next you post that distance plays a factor and you show slow speeds to THEIR listed Japan test server.
Those in Japan are going to be defaulted to use the closest server to them, just as those in the US are defaulted to use the closes test server to us.
They're going to be getting 10Mb from the Japanese test server unless those users ACTIVELY change from the suggested default just as you had to change from the active default to the Japanese test server.
This has EVERYTHING to do with vested interest. That group stands to make a BUNDLE of money in deployment of faster services.
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Frankis chillingPremium
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somewhere | said by ColorBASIC:said by Frank:said by ColorBASIC:They feature test servers from all over the world and they show the average test from Japan at under 10Mb average, and Japan is the fastest. Looks to me this is just another group with a vested interest in spending money on deployment and they'll cherrypick stats or simply invent them to meet those ends. It has nothign to do with vested interests, it's going to say 10mbps because the speed test is based out of the us. From my experience, the farther away you are from a server the slower the speeds you will get. i live in the us in nj . . . If the japanese are getting 10mbps on a server in the us that's pretty damned good considering it's halfway across the world. You just contradicted yourself. In one line you say it's because they're based in the US, in the next you post that distance plays a factor and you show slow speeds to THEIR listed Japan test server. Those in Japan are going to be defaulted to use the closest server to them, just as those in the US are defaulted to use the closes test server to us. They're going to be getting 10Mb from the Japanese test server unless those users ACTIVELY change from the suggested default just as you had to change from the active default to the Japanese test server. This has EVERYTHING to do with vested interest. That group stands to make a BUNDLE of money in deployment of faster services. I didnt contradict myself. www.speedtest.net is a us website that is only written in english. I was just using the japanese server on that site as a comparison to prove my point that speed goes down due to distance. In order to prove what you're saying you'd have to go to a japanese speed test site based out of japan with multiple test sites in japan and written in japanese. not just one crappy server in japan that isnt even in tokyo.
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 EebobbPremium
join:2003-11-13
Floral Park, NY
·Speakeasy
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the ping test is wrong on that site and this is the real ping you would get from optimum. that test is run off of nyc.speakeasy.net.
D:\Documents and Settings\Eebobb>tracert nyc.speakeasy.net
Tracing route to nyc.speakeasy.net [216.254.95.2]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.1.1
2 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms 10.50.192.1
3 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms dstswr2-vlan2.rh.lybrny.cv.net [167.206.33.34]
4 8 ms 7 ms 9 ms r4-ge9-2.mhe.hcvlny.cv.net [167.206.33.5]
5 8 ms 8 ms 7 ms r2-srp9-0.wan.hcvlny.cv.net [65.19.104.211]
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 10 ms 9 ms 7 ms rtr4-tg10-1.in.nycmny83.cv.net [64.15.0.17]
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 9 ms 8 ms 8 ms ge-7-0.ipcolo2.NewYork1.Level3.net [4.68.97.14]
10 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms 166.90.136.34
11 10 ms 9 ms 9 ms dns.nyc1.speakeasy.net [216.254.95.2]
Trace complete. |
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
3 edits | reply to Frank
You most certainly did.
It doesn't matter where the portal is, only where the test server is. Yokohama is only 18 miles from Tokyo.
First you argue that it's because Speedtest.net is US based and that distance plays a factor, yet they a have test server in Japan as you showed by doing a test from one. That looks like a fairly large contradiction to me.
Then it's that Yokohama is a crappy test server (unsubstantiated of course) that isn't even in Tokyo, even though it's less than 20 miles away and some of the fastest fiber ISPs there test average better than 20Mb so why do you need multiple test servers? I get accurate results using a single US test server that is a lot farther away than Yokohama is from Tokyo.
Now it's that the portal site isn't in English (as if no Japanese speak English or can read a simple map) and completely ignored the fact that Speedtest.net defaults to the closest server to the user. If I'm in Tokyo, Speedtest is going to default to the Yokohama test server less than 20 miles away and I'm going to get the same accurate result from the default Yokohama server whether I speak English, Japanese, or Klingon.
»www.speedtest.net/global.php?ran···untry=78
Sorry, I'm going to believe the independent and established Speedtest.net and their 130+ million speed tests from a worldwide network of fast test servers over hack union lobby group »www.speedmatters.org who made these unsubstantiated claims and obviously has a vested interest in new BB deployment.
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Frankis chillingPremium
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somewhere | said by ColorBASIC:You most certainly did. It doesn't matter where the portal is, only where the test server is. Yokohama is only 18 miles from Tokyo. First you argue that it's because Speedtest.net is US based and that distance plays a factor, yet they a have test server in Japan as you showed by doing a test from one. That looks like a fairly large contradiction to me. Then it's that Yokohama is a crappy test server (unsubstantiated of course) that isn't even in Tokyo, even though it's less than 20 miles away and some of the fastest fiber ISPs there test average better than 20Mb so why do you need multiple test servers? I get accurate results using a single US test server that is a lot farther away than Yokohama is from Tokyo. Now it's that the portal site isn't in English (as if no Japanese speak English or can read a simple map) and completely ignored the fact that Speedtest.net defaults to the closest server to the user. If I'm in Tokyo, Speedtest is going to default to the Yokohama test server less than 20 miles away and I'm going to get the same accurate result from the default Yokohama server whether I speak English, Japanese, or Klingon. » www.speedtest.net/global.php?ran···untry=78Sorry, I'm going to believe the independent and established Speedtest.net and their 130+ million speed tests from a worldwide network of fast test servers over hack union lobby group » www.speedmatters.org who made these unsubstantiated claims and obviously has a vested interest in new BB deployment. let me put this in a way you can understand under similar situations. I have a 30mbps/5mbps cable line.
here's a speed test from my state (nj):
here's another speed test from ny.
if the jersey server were the only one in the united states, then people would think i only had 10mbps max too even though many other people get more than 10mbps reported on there. And you'd be saying that my speeds are a lie perpratated to conduct a mass conspiracy to get other cable operators to raise thier speed caps or something.
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | You're missing an important point though.
Speedtest.net like the »/archive don't look as individual tests, they look at the average of all users. You aren't reflective of the performance of the entire ISP »/archive/optonline.net The average user is going to be MUCH lower. You can never judge the performance of an ISP off a particular user.
We find in both cases that Speedtest.net and DSLR accurately reflect the typical user experience. That isn't to say there isn't a user in Japan getting 61Mb service, just not the average user. The average user is seeing less than 10Mb, which is expected as not everyone is in the MUDs that have 100Mb fiber service.
This is even more apparent in looking at who the union used to collect the data. They're astroturfers and they didn't have a very large sample to draw their conclusions from.
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Frankis chillingPremium
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somewhere | said by ColorBASIC:You're missing an important point though. Speedtest.net like the » /archive don't look as individual tests, they look at the average of all users. You aren't reflective of the performance of the entire ISP » /archive/optonline.net The average user is going to be MUCH lower. You can never judge the performance of an ISP off a particular user. We find in both cases that Speedtest.net and DSLR accurately reflect the typical user experience. That isn't to say there isn't a user in Japan getting 61Mb service, just not the average user. The average user is seeing less than 10Mb, which is expected as not everyone is in the MUDs that have 100Mb fiber service. This is even more apparent in looking at who the union used to collect the data. They're astroturfers and they didn't have a very large sample to draw their conclusions from. belive what you want, and stick with your slow roadrunner speeds thinking there is a conspiracy of sorts. While the rest of the US and the world move on to higher speeds.
oh and by the way, your beloved speedtest.net site seems to think that godaddy software is the fastest isp in the united states. how's that for screwing up the averages eh?
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA
3 edits | While not as fast as 50/5 FiOS available back east I don't consider a boostless 15/2 slow. It's faster than the average Japanese user
As far as Godaddy, they're the fastest average domain doing speed tests. It's not unusual for hosting providers who have very fast connections and anyone running tests from Godaddy's end (eg office staff) is going to reflect this. It's also not uncommon for "college towns" to show very fast speed tests as students are using the local university's connection to run speed tests.
As far as accuracy Speedtest.net also very closely reflects DSLR's own results for OOL.
There is ZERO reason to doubt their results. There is plenty of reason to doubt the results of an astroturfer who stands to make a boatload of money with expanded BB deployment and improvements.
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Frankis chillingPremium
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somewhere
2 edits | said by ColorBASIC:
While not as fast as 50/5 FiOS available back east I don't consider a boostless 15/2 slow. It's faster than the average Japanese user
You're paying the same for that measly level of service than i'm paying for double the bandwidth. Btw, according to your averages no it's not because the average for your isp is like 6mbps or something.
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As far as Godaddy, they're the fastest average domain doing speed tests. It's not unusual for hosting providers who have very fast connections and anyone running tests from Godaddy's end (eg office staff) is going to reflect this. It's also not uncommon for "college towns" to show very fast speed tests as students are using the local university's connection to run speed tests.
considering i hadnt check the 'check here to include companies and schools' checkbox means the result set is flawed.
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As far as accuracy Speedtest.net also very closely reflects DSLR's own results for OOL.
There is ZERO reason to doubt their results. There is plenty of reason to doubt the results of an astroturfer who stands to make a boatload of money with expanded BB deployment and improvements.
there's ALOT of reasons to doubt thier results. these results were not conducted in a controlled scientific manner. There are tons of variables such as natting, router configurations, and wifi which lower speed throughput and change the output of results. I'll give you one example in particular, I just took a speed test and got only 10mbps down (which is the optonline.net average roughly), why did i get 10mbps down? because i'm on wifi.
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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said by ColorBASIC: There is plenty of reason to doubt the results of an astroturfer who stands to make a boatload of money with expanded BB deployment and improvements. Let's look at what speedmatters wants. They want affordable 2 Mbps for all. If you are against that you have a hidden agenda.
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
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Corona, CA
4 edits | reply to Frank
But RR doesn't enforce their usage caps like OOL does. I use my service to serve using my Windows Home Server. You try to do what I do and OOL will cap your upload at 150kbps just as Comcast would have long ago cancelled my service for "abuse" for the amount that I DL. 150kbps up certainly won't support 30Mb down. As I see it there is point in OOL speed if you can't use it.
But you go on believing the astroturfers who stand to make a TON of taxpayer money if people believe their unsubstantiated propaganda. You're the only one talking about individual users. The astroturfers, DSLR and Speedtest.net are measuring average users. DSLR and Speedtest.net are about the same with the astroturfers being off by a mile.
There is simply no way you are going to convince me that over 100 million results of Speedtest.net which are substantiated by DSLR/archive tests doesn't come closer to reality than the few hundred unverified and suspect tests of an astroturfer who claimed the AVERAGE Japanese user is seeing 61Mb. 61Mb average is an outright fabrication and there is no 3rd party data to support it. None. But that is typical of an astroturfer. They make up data then run around trying to make money off it.
I would start to believe the astroturfer results if there was a 3rd party site which got similar results as they do. There isn't.
With DSLR also reflecting similar results as Speedtest.net there is ZERO reason to doubt Speedtest.net's results. They are backed up by another source. |
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batterupI Can Not Tell A Lie.Premium
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Netcong, NJ Reviews:
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| said by ColorBASIC:But you go on believing the astroturfers who stand to make a TON of taxpayer money if people believe their unsubstantiated propaganda. You call  astroturfers a special interest group. Now what do these leeches want? They want to restore Amearica's network to number one in the world.
What are there credentials and experience? They are the people that kept US number one for over 90 years. What do they want to do this? They want a fair days pay for a fair days work, how dare they ask for so much for so little. |
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