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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/556416"><b>damox</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  ColorBASIC <A HREF="/useremail/u/1426384"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  damox <A HREF="/useremail/u/556416"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Oleg <A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits  :)<br> </DIV>And just how did you figure that? Do you have a source, or is that you guess?<br> </DIV>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.speedtest.net/global.php" >www.speedtest.net/global.php</A><br> </DIV>Of course that only figures in the folks that actually do speed tests and not only speed tests, but speed tests at "Speedtest.com". I would guess that the majority of Internet users, broadband or otherwise, do not ever check their bandwidth at such sites. I guarantee that 99.9% of dial-up users, never check their bandwidth, cause they already know that it's SLOW! Also one would have to ask, what percentage of all internet users actually check their bandwidth at Speedtest.com? How accurate are these sites considering some ISPs like Comcast use tools that fool these sites, such as "Power Boost". Power Boost makes your available bandwidth seem more than it actually is.  <br><SMALL>--<br>DAMOX <B><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1564398;root=disco;mode=flat#1564398"> Proud to be a member of Team Discovery</B></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/764344"><b>KUppiano</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Siryak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>So you would rather let food prices rise than pay a small tax on your internet bill? To each his own I guess.<br> </DIV>Don't be ridiculous. It's the same thing -- except with the free market you keep government coercion out of it, and people make their own choices. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><b>Siryak</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  KUppiano <A HREF="/useremail/u/764344"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Siryak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  KUppiano <A HREF="/useremail/u/764344"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers. <br><br>In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even.<br><br>It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer.<br> </DIV>Yes, but most people don't think it should ever happen. My same argument above would have applied to electricity and telephone if they wouldn't have made a bill making it mandatory. We would not have any people to raise our food if they didn't force the electric and telephone companies to provide for us, because everyone would have moved to the city. Electricity and telephone is not required to get by, but who in their right mind would go without it. Internet is becoming the same way.<br> </DIV>Wages and prices are nature's communication channel telling people the true value of goods and services. Currently, it is simply too expensive to wire the countryside with these high-tech amenities. <br><br>Many people would live in the country because they prefer the lifestyle. Without high-speed internet. Or phones. Or even electricity for that matter. Face it, we humans spent the vast bulk of our time on this planet without those things, and we flourished quite handily, thank you very much.<br><br>Even if farmers started moving to the city, it wouldn't happen overnight. The gradual reduction of the food supply would cause a gradual increase in farm prices, and we would reach a new equilibrium. Maybe farmers would make enough money that they could afford to bring high-speed internet to the country for the true cost of doing it, instead of the government forcing the city folk to pay for it whether anyone really wanted it enough to pay for it of their own free will.<br> </DIV>So you would rather let food prices rise than pay a small tax on your internet bill? To each his own I guess.<br><SMALL>--<br>Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows MCE SP2</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1362255"><b>bohn</b></A> : 7 my arse. I doubt it's anything over 2.5. If it matters the future of canadian internet is satellite internet from America because it will be much cheaper in price as our prices rise and your prices fall.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/139520"><b>cork1958</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by mike23ss :</SMALL><br><br>oi! you think you've got it bad in the usa!!!..haha.. we don't get anywhere near that average here.. but i wonder what the hell you need a 61mb connection for anyway!!?? <br> </DIV>Yeah,<br>I was wondering that too. (About the 61mb connection)<br><SMALL>--<br>Yep, we're back to Windows and <A HREF="http://www.opera.com"> Opera!!</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  tamovies <A HREF="/useremail/u/1441954"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>Your wrong about DSL2! I can get it in Maine!<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gwi.net/residential/highspeed/index.html" >www.gwi.net/residential/highspeed/index.html</A><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  maartena <A HREF="/useremail/u/628714"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities.<br><br> </DIV> </DIV>Don't worry, FairPoint  will gladly maintain a 20 Mbps copper loop for CLECs. Heck @ $55 a month there is plenty of money to pay the coolies FairPoint  will bring in.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  sitrix <A HREF="/useremail/u/617100"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>And there is GigE available in HK for under $100 last I recall, as there are similar packages available in some parts of Japan, so what's your point?  Fact is that those services aren't available everywhere in Asia as Verizon FiOS isn't available everywhere in US.  In the end, their average speed is a lot higher then ours any way you look at it.<br> </DIV>Totally, absolutely, 100% wrong. You have been reading TeleTruth again haven't you?<br><br>Why do I bother to cast pearls before swine? Oh well hear is another.<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://broadbandpakistan.speedtest.net/global.php?random=67117&continent=4&country=91" >broadbandpakistan.speedtest.net/&middot;&middot;&middot;untry=91</A>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 03:09:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1426384"><b>ColorBASIC</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  damox <A HREF="/useremail/u/556416"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Oleg <A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits  :)<br> </DIV>And just how did you figure that? Do you have a source, or is that you guess?<br> </DIV>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.speedtest.net/global.php" >www.speedtest.net/global.php</A><br><SMALL>--<br><A HREF="http://www.mugsie.org/">Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/764344"><b>KUppiano</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Siryak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  KUppiano <A HREF="/useremail/u/764344"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers. <br><br>In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even.<br><br>It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer.<br> </DIV>Yes, but most people don't think it should ever happen. My same argument above would have applied to electricity and telephone if they wouldn't have made a bill making it mandatory. We would not have any people to raise our food if they didn't force the electric and telephone companies to provide for us, because everyone would have moved to the city. Electricity and telephone is not required to get by, but who in their right mind would go without it. Internet is becoming the same way.<br> </DIV>Wages and prices are nature's communication channel telling people the true value of goods and services. Currently, it is simply too expensive to wire the countryside with these high-tech amenities. <br><br>Many people would live in the country because they prefer the lifestyle. Without high-speed internet. Or phones. Or even electricity for that matter. Face it, we humans spent the vast bulk of our time on this planet without those things, and we flourished quite handily, thank you very much.<br><br>Even if farmers started moving to the city, it wouldn't happen overnight. The gradual reduction of the food supply would cause a gradual increase in farm prices, and we would reach a new equilibrium. Maybe farmers would make enough money that they could afford to bring high-speed internet to the country for the true cost of doing it, instead of the government forcing the city folk to pay for it whether anyone really wanted it enough to pay for it of their own free will.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/986420"><b>Portmonkey</b></A> : Average would be nice, but I don't think it is something people will ever see in this little one horse town here in Southern IL. $45 per month for 1Mbit/128 (DSL) and that's only if you also subscribe to their long distance phone service, otherwise it's $55 per month. I'd happily move for no other reason than to have more bandwidth at a better price, but it's just not in the budget at the moment among other reasons for needing to stay here. New technology to overcome this problem would be welcome, but I guess there's not enough people in this area to make it worth consideration. About the only good part of DSL in this area is that it is very reliable for what it is considering I don't remember the last time service was down. ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/567879"><b>Kearnstd</b></A> : id love to see respectable uploads offered for once.  the tech world acts like the bandwith itself costs more to move but in truth as long as you have the room on your networks a router running at 10% costs the same as it running at 100%.  the internet isnt a power plant that uses more resources at peak.<br><SMALL>--<br>[65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 23:30:34 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/556416"><b>damox</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Oleg <A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits  :)<br> </DIV>And just how did you figure that? Do you have a source, or is that you guess?<br><SMALL>--<br>DAMOX <B><A HREF="http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,1564398;root=disco;mode=flat#1564398"> Proud to be a member of Team Discovery</B></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/617100"><b>sitrix</b></A> : And there is GigE available in HK for under $100 last I recall, as there are similar packages available in some parts of Japan, so what's your point?  Fact is that those services aren't available everywhere in Asia as Verizon FiOS isn't available everywhere in US.  In the end, their average speed is a lot higher then ours any way you look at it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1006966"><b>JammerMan79</b></A> : exactly... so 90% lives within 100 miles of the US..<br>what about the other 10% (3 million people) who are further away... MOST of them can get broadband as well.<br><SMALL>--<br>I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:52:35 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/328901"><b>Snickerdo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  JammerMan79 <A HREF="/useremail/u/1006966"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>I've asked people before to give me a few cities in BC or AB and I'll check to see if adsl services are available there... Unless it's really, really rural chances are they can get it.</DIV>... and if they can't get DSL, they can get cable or 3Mbit/s wireless or something.  1.9Mbit/s for a country with a similar population density and urban population as Canada is pathetic and of no excuse.  The USA is becoming what Australia was a few years ago - crap when it comes to broadband.<br><SMALL>--<br>Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal.<BR><B><A HREF="/forum/canchat/">Yes, I CanChat. Can You?</A>     <A HREF="http://www.fiberal.ca">www.fiberal.ca</A></B></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1006966"><b>JammerMan79</b></A> : I've asked people before to give me a few cities in BC or AB and I'll check to see if adsl services are available there... Unless it's really, really rural chances are they can get it.<br><SMALL>--<br>I may work for, but do not necessarily represent the views and beliefs of TELUS Communications.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 22:48:31 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/328901"><b>Snickerdo</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>The truth is that even Canada where 90% of the population is within 100 miles of the U.S. border only gets 7mbps average.<br>You can't compare us to other countries</DIV>Canada is slightly more urban than the USA, but not by much.  Simply put, the USA has absolutely zero excuse when a country just as spread out like Canada can get 7Mbit/s to someone in the middle of nowhere.<br><SMALL>--<br>Bigot - Someone that has won an argument with a Liberal.<BR><B><A HREF="/forum/canchat/">Yes, I CanChat. Can You?</A>     <A HREF="http://www.fiberal.ca">www.fiberal.ca</A></B></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1441954"><b>tamovies</b></A> : Your wrong about DSL2! I can get it in Maine!<br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://www.gwi.net/residential/highspeed/index.html" >www.gwi.net/residential/highspeed/index.html</A><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  maartena <A HREF="/useremail/u/628714"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br> Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities.<br><br> </DIV>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><b>Siryak</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  KUppiano <A HREF="/useremail/u/764344"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers. <br><br>In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even.<br><br>It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer.<br> </DIV>Yes, but most people don't think it should ever happen. My same argument above would have applied to electricity and telephone if they wouldn't have made a bill making it mandatory. We would not have any people to raise our food if they didn't force the electric and telephone companies to provide for us, because everyone would have moved to the city. Electricity and telephone is not required to get by, but who in their right mind would go without it. Internet is becoming the same way.<br><SMALL>--<br>Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows MCE SP2</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/764344"><b>KUppiano</b></A> : Whether you like dial-up or satellite or not, rural internetification costs lots of money. In the city, you can run a few miles of FIOS or even get DSL to run down existing copper pairs, and get hundreds of customers. <br><br>In the sticks, you run several miles of FIOS (forget DSL) and you get maybe four or five customers. No provider in their right mind would invest in such a thing. It is very unlikely that they would break even.<br><br>It was the same with rural electrification and telephone service. It will happen eventually, but it will take longer.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : oi! you think you've got it bad in the usa!!!..haha.. we don't get anywhere near that average here.. but i wonder what the hell you need a 61mb connection for anyway!!?? ]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/628714"><b>maartena</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>FIOS/FTTH is the future, Verizon is working hard on getting it rolled out. They just started a few years ago, give them time. It's not easy replacing all the copper with fiber, it will take 10-15 years for 99% of their customers to receive service, but they are quickly making progress in urban areas as we speak.<br></DIV>Unfortunately, Verizon only controls about 33% of the US market, and their main competitors like AT&T aren't bringing fiber to the home.<br><br>Verizon is also serving a lot of areas that are in the middle of nowhere, and eventually, in the next 10 years or so, maybe 20% of the US population will have access to fiber to the home, while those who live in AT&T, QWest, or other territories will probably have to wait till they realize that DSL really isn't going to cut it.....<br><SMALL>--<br>"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - <br>Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/766258"><b>batterup</b></A> : These are the speeds in Dover, Verizon's FiOS can kick those people's ass any day. Japan a pitiful 1200 kbs up.  Pirate Bay spits on their connection.<br><br>Much faster speeds are available from Verizon but the people don't know what to do with them.<br><br>&raquo;<A HREF="http://broadbandpakistan.speedtest.net/global.php?random=30084&continent=1&country=1&region=68&city=106482" >broadbandpakistan.speedtest.net/&middot;&middot;&middot;y=106482</A><div class="borderless"><TABLE WIDTH=95% align=center border=0 CELLPADDING=4"><TR><TD ALIGN=CENTER VALIGN=CENTER BGCOLOR=#000000 nwrap COLSPAN=3 WIDTH=100%><A HREF="/speak/slideshow/18385013?c=1167000&ret=L2ZvcnVtL3IxODM4NDQ3My54bWw%3D"><IMG TITLE="160692 bytes" BORDER=0 WIDTH=564 HEIGHT=526 SRC="/r0/download/1167000~59267dcda44ca02b423359bc747e7bd2/vzka.jpg"></A></TD></TABLE></div>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><b>Siryak</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>We live in a Capitalistic FREE society... It's your problem if you're living somewhere where broadband service is unavailable or sucks. Want better service? Move or wait.<br><br>No single person or organization is responsible for this, we are all equally responsible for services that are profitable/unprofitable in this country. If it's unprofitable, don't expect a corporation to waste their time on you. <br><br>-Tzale<br> </DIV>Use dial-up or satellite for a few months, heck even for a day, and then come back and say that.<br>The fact of the matter is city folk need us and we need them. If the city folk stop scratching the country folks back then the country folk are going to stop scratching theirs. The fact of the matter is most people including country people use the internet today and are not willing to live without. If you run the majority of the country people to the city then where is our food going to come from? I for one live in the country not by choice, but because I am 17 and this is where my parents live so I don't get a choice. Because there is no decent internet out here I will not be staying in the country and I am going to move to where there is some decent internet whenever I graduate and go to college. The world is shifting to be highly dependent on the internet. I seriously doubt I am not the only one that is not willing to "suck it up and deal with it." So if everyone starts moving to the city who is going to grow/raise our nations food? While the older people may not move, the nations youth that will be growing/raising our food in the future will be a different story.<br><SMALL>--<br>Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows MCE SP2</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><b>Tzale</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  maartena <A HREF="/useremail/u/628714"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>You can't compare us to other countries... It's as simple as that, they are densely populated, we are really spread out.<br></DIV>First off, although 90% of Canada lives near the U.S. border, they also have only about 30 million inhabitants. Southern Ontario (the 100 miles closest to the US and Toronto Area) is pretty much the same as Pennsylvania or Ohio if you are looking at population density.<br><br>Second, it doesn't explain why there are so many large metropolitan areas in the U.S. that still have lousy broadband. In the Greater Los Angeles Area, about 0.3% of the population can actually get FIOS, although about 50% of the population are connected to Verizon, (the other half is AT&T/former SBC). If you want to go fast, Time Warner is your only option. There are no DSL2 and hardly any FIOS rollouts in the Los Angeles area.<br><br>And to compare once again to a foreign country: There are several European countries who started offering DSL2 as early as 2004 with 12 to 20 Mbps downstream and 1 Mbps upstream. Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities.<br><br>Why is it that a 50 million people city like Tokyo can be fibered up for more then 50% already, and the United States can't even fiber up Manhattan?<br> </DIV>I am fully aware of the population of Canada. They are still a much smaller area to cover than here in the States. LA doesn't have "lousy" broadband... FIOS is being rolled out as fast as it can be, what do you want them to do???? It's a service, not frigging life support. <br><br>And just so you know Verizon IS wiring up Manhattan and the surround tri-state area... My town is being wired as we speak... I wouldn't say NY doesn't have broadband options, it is the telecommunications capitol of the world and they DO have a variety of services. Europe is much more dense than the United States. There is a lot of work that needs to be done in the United States, but we aren't as bad as you guys make it out to be.<br><br>FIOS/FTTH is the future, Verizon is working hard on getting it rolled out. They just started a few years ago, give them time. It's not easy replacing all the copper with fiber, it will take 10-15 years for 99% of their customers to receive service, but they are quickly making progress in urban areas as we speak.<br><br>-Tzale<br><SMALL>--<br>"I'm a Geek, Are You?"</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/628714"><b>maartena</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>You can't compare us to other countries... It's as simple as that, they are densely populated, we are really spread out.<br></DIV>First off, although 90% of Canada lives near the U.S. border, they also have only about 30 million inhabitants. Southern Ontario (the 100 miles closest to the US and Toronto Area) is pretty much the same as Pennsylvania or Ohio if you are looking at population density.<br><br>Second, it doesn't explain why there are so many large metropolitan areas in the U.S. that still have lousy broadband. In the Greater Los Angeles Area, about 0.3% of the population can actually get FIOS, although about 50% of the population are connected to Verizon, (the other half is AT&T/former SBC). If you want to go fast, Time Warner is your only option. There are no DSL2 and hardly any FIOS rollouts in the Los Angeles area.<br><br>And to compare once again to a foreign country: There are several European countries who started offering DSL2 as early as 2004 with 12 to 20 Mbps downstream and 1 Mbps upstream. Three years later, you cannot get 20 Mbps ANYWHERE in the United States using DSL2 technology. Not even in dense populated cities.<br><br>Why is it that a 50 million people city like Tokyo can be fibered up for more then 50% already, and the United States can't even fiber up Manhattan?<br><SMALL>--<br>"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - <br>Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/628714"><b>maartena</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Oleg <A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>What I am saying Is most of heavy users have 3mbits+ dsl or cable.<br> </DIV>Most HEAVY users. The heavy users are only a minority though. On DSLreports.com you will find a large number of heavy users, because this site attracts the more tech-savy people, and people interested in broadband generally.<br><br>I can however GUARANTEE you that out of the 25+ people I know that have DSL or cable, NONE of them have ever heard of DSLreports, and NONE of them have any type of premium package because they want more speed. Half of them have whatever the cheapest DSL package is.<br><SMALL>--<br>"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - <br>Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/0"><b>anon</b></A> : average is meant to include everyone even those who live to far out to get the advertised speeds]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><b>Tzale</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Siryak <A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  forrestin <A HREF="/useremail/u/948414"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.<br> </DIV>Don't get so upset if you are in the sticks and you can't get quality bandwidth.<br><br>-Tzale<br> </DIV>Go use dial-up or satellite for a few months and then come back and say that. It is easy to say suck it up and live with it whenever you already have the best.<br> </DIV>We live in a Capitalistic FREE society... It's your problem if you're living somewhere where broadband service is unavailable or sucks. Want better service? Move or wait.<br><br>No single person or organization is responsible for this, we are all equally responsible for services that are profitable/unprofitable in this country. If it's unprofitable, don't expect a corporation to waste their time on you. <br><br>-Tzale<br><SMALL>--<br>"I'm a Geek, Are You?"</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1027919"><b>Anonymous_</b></A> : North America&#9;4223 kb/s&#9;813 kb/s<br>Australasia&#9;3340 kb/s&#9;474 kb/s<br>Europe&#9;3284 kb/s&#9;777 kb/s<br>Asia&#9;2132 kb/s&#9;661 kb/s<br>South America&#9;795 kb/s&#9;262 kb/s<br><SMALL>--<br>Global warming did not eat my homework.</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/1294435"><b>Siryak</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Tzale <A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br><div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  forrestin <A HREF="/useremail/u/948414"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A>  :</SMALL><br><br>I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.<br> </DIV>Don't get so upset if you are in the sticks and you can't get quality bandwidth.<br><br>-Tzale<br> </DIV>Go use dial-up or satellite for a few months and then come back and say that. It is easy to say suck it up and live with it whenever you already have the best.<br><SMALL>--<br>Wildblue Pro Pack / Beam 40 / Laredo NOC / Windows MCE SP2</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/908026"><b>PDXPLT</b></A> : So which is it, "average" users, or "heavy" users?  Your two posts contradict each other.]]></description>
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<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 16:34:37 EDT</pubDate>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/927346"><b>Tzale</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  forrestin <A HREF="/useremail/u/948414"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><BR><BR>I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.<br> </DIV>The truth is that even Canada where 90% of the population is within 100 miles of the U.S. border only gets 7mbps average.<br>You can't compare us to other countries... It's as simple as that, they are densely populated, we are really spread out. I also find it amazing we're "1.9mbps" and the others are round numbers, almost like they pulled the numbers out of their asses.<br><br>What is the point in comparing these numbers? All that I know is that I can get 30mbps down / 5 mbps up and I'm happy, and FIOS is rolling out across the country. It's frigging internet service, not 911.. Don't get so upset if you are in the sticks and you can't get quality bandwidth.<br><br>-Tzale]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/910659"><b>inteller</b></A> : well, unfortunately for the US, not everyone is a heavy user.  You can't exclude the outliers just because you feel like it.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/594412"><b>TKJunkMail</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Oleg <A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits  :)<br> </DIV>The CWA did this comparison in a half assed stupid manner. Anyone surprised? They took their numbers from speed tests run at NYC.speakeasy.net. And they took the foreign country speeds from published ISP claims.<br><br>As to the NYC.Speakeasy.net tests:<br>1 - they were run from all over the country and not just from users near NYC as is typically the case when measuring speeds.<br>2 - the sample was not a random one. Meaning it was users self selecting to run the test from a link at the CWA web site. Further invalidating the results.<br>3 - The results weren't adjusted for sample error by adjusting for the differing numbers of users from the ISP's and their user bases.<br><br>In effect, the results are statistically meaningless.<br><SMALL>--<br>--<BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/2a9xcb">Internet News</A><BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/bqv2h">My BLOG</A><BR><A HREF="http://tinyurl.com/yz8xto">My Web Page</A></SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><b>Oleg</b></A> : What I am saying Is most of heavy users have 3mbits+ dsl or cable.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/948414"><b>forrestin</b></A> : I believe that the US includes a large number of Rural users. Taking this into consideration 1.5 Mbps may be close to the actual speed. I know of very few markets that 3-6 Mbps is average.]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/661871"><b>gatorkram</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Oleg <A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits  :)<br> </DIV>I can make up stats out of thin air too.<br><SMALL>--<br>Give me bandwidth or give me death!</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/297537"><b>en102</b></A> : Hmm - where you have those stats ?<br><br>I suspect that this may include everything from 256kbps to max.<br><br>There is probably a significant amount of people using 1.5Mbps/384kbps on at&t lines (doesn't at&t have something like 19 million DSL subs?), and then I suspect many others just go for the basic packages.  It still seems a little low.<br><SMALL>--<br>Canada = Hollywood North</SMALL>]]></description>
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<description><![CDATA[<A HREF="/useremail/u/628714"><b>maartena</b></A> : <div class="bquote"><SMALL>said by  Oleg <A HREF="/useremail/u/910278"><IMG SRC="http://i.dslr.net/bb/profile.gif" ALT="See Profile" BORDER=0 WIDTH=16 HEIGHT=11></A> :</SMALL><br><br>This Is not correct Average U.S. Broadband Speed Is around 3-6 mbits  :)</DIV>Most people actually have 1.5 Mbps DSL, I know a few that have 768 Kbps DSL. Sure, there are faster options available, and I have a faster connection. But the AVERAGE is still fairly low. Its a good thing even the 1.5 Mbps DSL already comes with 384 Kbps upload, or the upload average would be a lot lower.<br><SMALL>--<br>"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will deserve neither and lose both" - <br>Benjamin Franklin, Founding Father.</SMALL>]]></description>
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