Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY | reply to FiOS Dan
Re: Computer Wiretapping Galore Starts Now Sorry I wasn't sticking my tongue at you Dan, I was joking about how I agreed with what you wrote, though I didn't write it myself.
I'm kind of embarassed about my opinion, but I'm a simple person and I feel the simplest explanation is the best choice.
George Bush enacted a law giving him those powers, because he wants them. |
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 FiOS DanPremium
join:2001-07-06
Redondo Beach, CA | reply to Johnny
If that's what it takes...yes. Are you prepared to watch video of a mushroom cloud over Long Beach harbor because we were too concerned about our privacy to monitor these bastards? Besides, what the hell is in my communications and comings and goings that's so darned private anyway? Check 'em out all you want guys, they're boring as all hell. All they will see is too much time spent at this BBR website. 
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FiOS DanPremium
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Redondo Beach, CA | reply to Cogdis
said by Cogdis:Sorry I wasn't sticking my tongue at you Dan, I was joking about how I agreed with what you wrote, though I didn't write it myself. In that case, no need to apologize my friend. Thanks for the clarification. 
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 Frydays
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South Padre Island, TX | reply to whocares0
if road runner is doing this can i sue them for a zillion dollars for invading my privacy ? |
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said by FiOS Dan:If that's what it takes...yes. Are you prepared to watch video of a mushroom cloud over Long Beach harbor because we were too concerned about our privacy to monitor these bastards? The very sort of fear tactic favored by those who would invade our privacy and alienate our personal rights 'for the good of the Country'.
Besides, what the hell is in my communications and comings and goings that's so darned private anyway? Check 'em out all you want guys, they're boring as all hell. All they will see is too much time spent at this BBR website.
We, as United States citizens, were guaranteed certain inalienable rights by the writers of the Constitution of the United States of America. The clause "unless something should change" is not in there.
Thousands upon thousands of our friends, family, and ancestors have given their lives so that those rights would be protected for us today, and our children tomorrow. |
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Atlanta, GA
kudos:1 | reply to FiOS Dan
said by FiOS Dan:If that's what it takes...yes. Are you prepared to watch video of a mushroom cloud over Long Beach harbor because we were too concerned about our privacy to monitor these bastards? Besides, what the hell is in my communications and comings and goings that's so darned private anyway? Check 'em out all you want guys, they're boring as all hell. All they will see is too much time spent at this BBR website. What you are advocating is to give up your liberty. Once you do that, you might as well live in any of dozens of countries who do not have the wonderful system that we have in America, that is the essence of what makes this country great.
If you give that up, there is nothing left to fight for.
Never, ever give up freedom, no matter what the government tells you about how it will be such a good thing, or it will be for national security, or it will help law enforcement, or whatever. You will never get those freedoms back without another armed revolution. |
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w/o reading whole articles, does this allow federal and local yocals or just federal monitoring??
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 heels_fan1.20.09 The start of SocialismPremium
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kudos:1 | said by i1me2ao:w/o reading whole articles, does this allow federal and local yocals or just federal monitoring?? Local, State and Federal. All that is needed is a court order
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said by markopoleo:You guys always make something small into a big deal. It means nothing to %99.999999999 of people out there. Between encryption and word of mouth, what most criminals use that are worth catching, it is useless. Exactly ... just encrypt yo sh!t ... 
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said by FiOS Dan:If that's what it takes...yes. Are you prepared to watch video of a mushroom cloud over Long Beach harbor because we were too concerned about our privacy to monitor these bastards? Whenever new measures are taken that erode your liberties and rights in the name of the war on terror, I think it's appropiate to ask yourself: "Could 9/11 have been avoided if this measure was in place by then?"
Personally, I think not. The Intelligence community - not only American intelligence - has had for long time the capability of monitoring a wealth of information, both electronic and human, from all around the globe.
My point of view is that it was the inaptitude inefficiency of the Intelligence agencies to deal, parse and analyse the information at hand and the total lack of colaboration between them that made people as Mohamed Atta totally transparent to the system.
The 9/11 bastards wouldn't have been caught just because some local, state or federal authority decides to plug into your phone or ADSL line. |
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Oh noes! The gub'ment is in my computarz, steelin' mah megahurtz!
Jesus Christ, people!!! The bottom line is this: if you're not doing anything wrong, you are NOT going to be on their short list. Get a grip, ya freakin' technophobes... |
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Cogdis
join:2007-03-26
Floral Park, NY | But that's just it- what happens when the list gets longer? If it's ok to wiretap to protect people from terrorsits based on "profiles", what's to stop them from expanding it to protect people from murderers, or rapists (and then what?). The profile will just get more and more vague. It's a new road we're heading down, one that's open to interpretation, where as the constitution WAS set in stone- No violating these specific rights, period. |
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 caffeinatorComing soon to a cup near you..Premium
join:2005-01-16
WA, USA
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said by GamerGeek:Oh noes! The gub'ment is in my computarz, steelin' mah megahurtz! Jesus Christ, people!!! The bottom line is this: if you're not doing anything wrong, you are NOT going to be on their short list. Get a grip, ya freakin' technophobes... Ok, so what happens if they decide they don't like my politics, my interest in anime, or that I'm a smoker??
Will just using encryption provide them with "probable cause" since obviously..I must be hiding something horrible if I'm using encryption, right?
I'm not doing anything patently illegal according to the law NOW. But, laws change everyday. Today's legal manga is tomorrows new crusade...where does it end?
When liberty and justice cease to be mutually inclusive, you have neither liberty nor justice.
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Really, this issue would be solved entirely if all the government surveillance was Opt-In/Opt-Out. Those who believe it's necessary, those who believe they have nothing to hide could opt in and feel safer.
Of course, either way you'd get put on mailing lists and receive unwanted spam.
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 novaflareThe Dragon Was HerePremium
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Barberton, OH | said by fatness:Of course, either way you'd get put on mailing lists and receive unwanted spam. rofl
So true any more.
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davePremium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
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kudos:7 | reply to fatness
Choosing to opt out of surveillance is a suspicious act. You'd end up on a homeland security 'watch' list for sure. |
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novaflareThe Dragon Was HerePremium
join:2002-01-24
Barberton, OH | reply to Johnny
said by Johnny:Actually they can, supreme court said so it was vegas city(or was it nevada state) vs some guy case, and it went all the way to us supreme case
That case was about whether you have to state your name, and if you can be arrested and fined/jailed for not stating your name. You do not have to carry any "papers", including any ID card. Ask anyone who grew up in a Communist Eastern European country why we don't want to have to carry "papers." Well heres the thing. You can refuse to give up said information its your right. But its also the right of the police to arrest you for not doing so. Just like you have the right to asseble for protest. But when said protest begines to cause trouble for a buissness or the normal flow of trafic etc you can also be arrested by the cops.
When you refuse to show id or give your name or what have you you begine to look damn guilty. Simply put for all that cop knows your wanted for murder or theirs a apb out on you under your name your refuseing to give him.
Maybe your a skinny white guy whereing a red hooded sweat shirt and blue pands with gray shoes and no socks and theres a apb out for some guy matching that discription and they have his name. They see you and suspect you might be him and by simply showign the cop your id or even just giving your name imidiatly with out any hassle its enough to let the cop relise ok this isnt the guy and he leaves.
Not tellign a cop who you are is just really stupid esp if they just happen to stop you. Theres a damn good chance they are lookign for some one who matches your discription. Could be a murdered or a rapistss etc. By wasting the cops time by playing games your risking allowing said murderer or rapist to get away.
All because you go "I know my rights!!!"
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said by dave:Choosing to opt out of surveillance is a suspicious act. You'd end up on a homeland security 'watch' list for sure. And you probably don't wanna waste resources monitoring those who opted in as they'd probably have nothing to hide anyway.
The solution would be to reverse the actions performed in the backend by the "I want to opt in" and "I want to opt out" radio buttons. |
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JohnnyPremium
join:2001-06-27
Atlanta, GA
kudos:1 | reply to novaflare
Anyone can volunteer their ID if they wish. There is no law against that.
The point is, you cannot be arrested just for not having ID or not showing ID. The case in question was about "giving your name." The Supreme Court ruled that simply giving your name did not count as testifying against yourself. If it did, it would be violative of the 5th amendment right against self-incrimination.
This isn't about volunteering your ID - I might do that if I thought it would speed things up. This is about being REQUIRED to show your ID. Being required to show implies being required to carry an ID. Do you really want it to be illegal not to carry an ID? (And I am NOT talking about driving without carrying a license - once you get into licensing, that is something that you have agreed to do as terms of the license). |
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