MrTechie
@ac.il
| University Blocking Communications two internal networks
inside the dorms we are using a P2P network and would like it to be accessible from the labs and computer farms inside the faculties.
at first we thought that maybe they were blocking the generic port, but we changed to a random port (5040) and still no luck.
we are using StrongDC with YnHub (if that means anything to you).
I don't know much about networking but is it possible that they are blocking the packets from the software? is it possible to distinguish between two sets of packts? do expensive firewall solutions do that?
do you think there is a way around this?
thanks!
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JohnInSJ
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join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
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| Sure...
If you're doing university research, just contact the IT dept. and get whatever waiver you need to run the P2P experiment.
Otherwise, forget it. p2p is against every university "terms of use" policy - if you find a way around it, you're not going to be happy when they revoke all network access and/or suspend you for a term or two.
My guess is they are blocking every incoming port, and are actively sniffing for the typical bandwidth profiles for p2p, shutting things down as they find them.
Which university is this?
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MrTechie
@ac.il | Not an american one.
if they are blocking all incoming ports how come the internet still works?
isn't that incoming?
is it possible to do something I heard of called http tunneling?
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS | reply to MrTechie
Easy!
Ask the University IT folks for assistance. |
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MrTechie
@ac.il
| cmon guys.
i'm not trying to fool anyone. ofcourse this is not sanctioned by the IT guys.
they oppose to it because it's the university's policy. they can't help.
can you guys stop acting all pure and give a guy a hand or is it "forum policy" not to help anyone? |
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donoreo
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join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | reply to MrTechie
If it is against the rules, then do not do it. I do not think you are going to get someone to help you get around security here.
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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said by MrTechie :
cmon guys.
i'm not trying to fool anyone. ofcourse this is not sanctioned by the IT guys.
they oppose to it because it's the university's policy. they can't help.
can you guys stop acting all pure and give a guy a hand or is it "forum policy" not to help anyone?
Uhm, it is against IT and a security standpoint to help hacking past whatever is in place to stop you from what *THEY* don't want you to do.
It's their network.
If they say no... well?
Yes, it is probably possible to get past it, but is it worth it to YOU to get boned for doing it?
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MrTechie
@ac.il
| can we just agree that whether or not I get boned and how deep is my problem?
I just need some help. I could disguise it under "let's take a theoretical situation where I have a firewall bla bla bla...." but I didnt.
cause we are all grownups and know what we are doing and the risks I take are my own...
can someone help me or not?
i'd really appreciate anyone's help.
tahnks again and have a good day 
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dadkins
Living on a Blu Planet
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Hercules, CA
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May 28th, @10:45AM
| So, you want to get past whatever campus IT has inplace so you can do some P2P?
... and you don't care what would happen to - me/us, here, if *we* told you how.
Uhm... no. Sorry.
Now, if you have a Security related issue... the good people here most likely can and will help you with it.
Asking how to get past network security aint gonna fly.
»Posting Rules - Security
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
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Hewitt, NJ
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said by MrTechie :
....cause we are all grownups....
-Techie
Apparently not.
No one here is going to tell you how to circumvent your Uni's security, lol.....that is counter productive to what this forum is about, which is to help people BE secure, not to tell them how to get around someone else's network security.
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
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If you wish to play games, go downtown to the local LAN gaming site, or simply get your own Internet connection!
Why not just get your own router and switch and set up temporary gaming LANS in the dorm??
If you want to share files, Stick adaptors and even hard drives are cheap these days!!!
As for illegal P2P downloading, tis not part of forum discussion!!
The 'grownups' are the ones that have clearly given the correct direction to a naive question posed by a 'child'.
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nonymous
join:2003-09-08
Glendale, AZ | reply to MrTechie
The other thing is if we can figure out how to get around it they can figure out how to block it or catch it.
If you have to log in with a password, username that would be a first problem as you better not use yours. |
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DigitalXeron
There is a lack of sanity
join:2003-12-17
Hamilton, ON
·Cogeco Cable
·Bell Sympatico
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May 28th, @12:38PM
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said by MrTechie :
cmon guys.
i'm not trying to fool anyone. ofcourse this is not sanctioned by the IT guys.
they oppose to it because it's the university's policy. they can't help.
can you guys stop acting all pure and give a guy a hand or is it "forum policy" not to help anyone?
This forum is NOT designed to assist illegal and/or otherwise unacceptable activities.
Apparently you do not understand the implications of what you're asking.
We do not assist those, reguardless of how badly they want it, to bypass security implementations by the Network Administrators, It's their network, their rules, if you don't like it, get your own connection. They have those implementations in place to prevent bandwidth wasting by users like you whom think they have a right to do anything they want. Many of us are network staff ourselves and understand why the network administration is placing those limitations on you, to prevent your personal, frivolious activities from wasting resources and propegation of viruses.
Why the Network Admin is doing that?.. many reasons.. to keep bandwidth wasting down...to keep viruses off their network... to promote proper usage of an educational network (hm.. novel idea, educational network being used for education)... Not wanting to put up with (often frivolous) "copyright infringement lawsuits"...
Final statment: When you become the Network Administrator of that system, THEN you can make up the rules, until then, I suggest you stop being a freebie and treating that line like a personal internet connection. -- Don't turn the university's network into a bandwidth-wasting circus where less than 5% of the users have 60%+ of the bandwidth like most ISP's networks are now. (And people complain because there's not enough bandwidth to go around)
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Shady Bimmer
join:2001-12-03
Northport, NY
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said by MrTechie :
can we just agree that whether or not I get boned and how deep is my problem? Ah - but that is the problem. You don't understand the implications to the University and don't seem to care about finding out. This is exactly why policies are put in place - it is not just your problem.
I just need some help. I could disguise it under "let's take a theoretical situation where I have a firewall bla bla bla...." but I didnt. That wouldn't have changed the responses you received here. As others have pointed out you will not find out how to avoid or break security policies and protections here.
cause we are all grownups and know what we are doing and the risks I take are my own Again, the risks you take are not your own. When you grow up you will understand this. |
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MrTechie
@ac.il | reply to DigitalXeron
I should have known my last post would do no good..
you guys are obviously security nerds and on the square side of the fence...
thanks anyway!
techie. |
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donoreo
Premium
join:2002-05-30
North York, ON | You are the type of people we are protecting against!
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Cheese
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Naples, FL
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said by MrTechie :I should have known my last post would do no good.. you guys are obviously security nerds and on the square side of the fence... thanks anyway! techie.  As pointed out, you don't own the network |
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mrchris
Premium
join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY | reply to MrTechie
Can't you do your P2Ping from home? |
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Anav
Sarcastic Llama? Naw, Just Acerbic
Premium
join:2001-07-16
Dartmouth, NS
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Hmmm security / nerds / square / fence ...
I think your mixing up Law vs IT protocols, wisdom vs technical know how, morals vs imagination and finally prison bars vs chicken wire!  (not too mention expulsion and fines - buy yourself a playstation and quit whining, heck you went to school to ... oh yeah play games ) |
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La Luna
Surviving Ashraful
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said by MrTechie :I should have known my last post would do no good.. you guys are obviously security nerds and on the square side of the fence... thanks anyway! techie. You make no sense. Why would you even think any legitimate forum dedicated to security would assist you in breaching the security of your Uni's network?
Maybe a little more time dedicated to school work instead of wasting time trying to engage in forbidden activities on the Uni's network would be in order.
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