Re: Wooo. in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18415033 en Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:26:20 EDT Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:26:20 EDT Re: Wooo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18685878 voiplover : Wait, Someone will buy it using your CC info them boot leg it...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18685878 Tue, 17 Jul 2007 00:22:01 EDT Re: interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18439959 alancain : You are putting those neighbors of yours at risk; they are at risk in several ways. If you are stealing movies and images, and music, you are from the point of view of the legal system stealing content. You may be downloading child porn, for all we know, putting your neighbors at risk of felony convictions if they get pinned for it (not reasonable, but possible). They may get the blame; you are putting them at risk. I am certain that what you are doing is illegal and prosecutable.

I would hide my cantenna if I were you.

And on the topic of hotspots that are open versus hotspots that are closed, the test is easy: does the hotspot invite you in or does it not. An invitation must be active and not passive. Unless the hotspot is labelled as an invitation it is not open, regardless of whether the users are sophisticated or not. I have one at my office that is an invitation. Its ESSID includes the phrase freenet_dhcp; pretty clear, eh?

My neighbor has one that says SMITHnet. That is not an invitation, even though it is set up to give addresses automatically, and is not secured. They are inexperienced, but it is not a public access point. As they are not my customers, I let them be; I might tip them off sometime, but I haven't really tried to search them down. If they were my customers, I would pursue it. I might well associate with the access point then, too. Their bandwidth is really my bandwidth in that case.

A chicken in the yard is not fair game just because you see it.

Taking things without permission is called theft.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18439959 Sun, 03 Jun 2007 00:05:26 EDT Re: Wooo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18430917 anon : There's always the Linux option. »sourceforge.net/projects/bonding

Of course that would mean that one's nice cozy M$ Server 2003 box is now 100% worthless..]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18430917 Fri, 01 Jun 2007 10:27:44 EDT Re: Wooo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18418341 dvd536 :
said by Noah Vail See Profile :

999 Euros = 1,342.0566 U.S. dollars act:google.
Hmmmmm. $1300 or $50 to my own isp. . . . .
think i'll just pay for my own ISP.
only thing i use open wireless points for is seeding to get ratios up but not over my own connection :)
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said by ronpin See Profile :

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obviously increasing download speeds.

...uhh...not! It could increase capacity though.
Depends on what you are doing and how closely you are looking at things. Many of the speed booster technologies from a few years back would open multiple ftp connections and divide the file into multiple chunks. While there were multiple physical connections, the overall effect would be the same as a single connection. It wouldn't work for applications where a single pipe/bonded connection is required, but would effectively work just as well for p2p, usenet, etc where you would typically be downloading files/packets in multiple short bursts.
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I have my laptop set so that it does not associate to any APs that are not already setup in my profile. I have to deliberately setup a new profile to associate to any new AP.

I would also draw a distinction between accidental association and using the open AP.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18414620 Tue, 29 May 2007 15:26:40 EDT Re: interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18414568 rradina : I think this might only apply to patents and/or copyrights. I think there are some rulings in these areas that if you don't defend them for years and years and abuse is widespread that you may then lose the privilege to enforce them later.

Lots of private land owners have "no tresspassing" signs but they don't have fences stopping would be offenders. However, it's still tresspassing if they catch you and decide to prosecute even if you've been riding your ATV on their land for years and years.

I think the problem with some of the assumptions here are common sense. As painful as this might sound I recommend watching Judge Judy or one of the other courtroom reality shows. A lot of the rulings are common sense and I can hear Judge Judy asking now: "You're computer savvy, right? You know that Internet access is not free, right? You know that your neighbor was paying for their service, right? Judgement for the plaintiff."

I guess if someone can use a computer and truly be ignorant of the fact that Internet access is not free they might be able to get off with a warning. However, I don't know if any judge will believe them.

But hey -- I'm no lawyer, I just stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18414568 Tue, 29 May 2007 15:17:13 EDT Re: Wooo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18414492 rradina : WinTel data center servers typically use two NIC cards and a driver that "teams" the cards for enhanced throughput and high availability. However, I believe this is done at the driver layer and not the OS layer. I think it also has to have the blessing of the switch at layer 2 since I think a virtual MAC address is involved.

Microsoft also has a poor man's load balancing feature where two servers share a MAC address and listen to all the packets but this wouldn't help in this case.

I don't know how the Windows routing table works. I know you could put the same default gateway in for each card and I suppose giving it the same metric might make Windows round robin (RR). If it does RR, it might only do so with five different apps and/or destinations. Windows may have an affinity with a single application and/or single destination always routing down one NIC. If it does RR this way, it would work for multiple concurrent destinations and/or applications but it wouldn't aggregate a single application's download from a single site.

Take all of this with a grain of salt. I know enough about infrastructure to be really, really dangerous but that's about my limit. I'm by no means an expert.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18414492 Tue, 29 May 2007 15:07:23 EDT Re: interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18414471 BIGMIKE : Can we say legal issues? or Can we say stupid Users?
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said by dda See Profile :

I seriously doubt any court/jury would buy the "I couldn't tell the difference" argument.
Especially if you happen to own a € 999 device :uhh:
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Its time they were updated... not that stealing / borrowing someones bandwidth is right or wrong.

But if someone repeatedly drives too slow in the middle/fast lane, takes an eternity to accelerate out of a red light /stop sign, {do stuff on the road that my grand mother would do }.

Their driving license should be revoked. Thats what the internets are like. If you cannot be bothered to use it, right,don't.

Driving a certain way can lead to financial hardships, (accident -> lawsuit ) , and so can using those damn computers. One stupid click , (or open AP), and all of a sudden identity theft + ruined credit.

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said by Anomus :

But one day somebody is going to really test that "theft of service" claim in court and see if it gets shot all full of holes.
It is being tested in court right now; there have been a couple recent news items about people getting both arrested and sentenced for "theft of service" because they were leaching.
said by Anomus :

And lets face it, there are lots of people that leave hotspots open on purpose and you can't really tell the difference. In court that constitutes reasonable doubt and the case is thrown out. Hence its not really illegal. :)
I believe the law (in the U.S.) says that unless you are invited in, you should stay out so yes, it is really easy to tell the difference; I seriously doubt any court/jury would buy the "I couldn't tell the difference" argument.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413884 Tue, 29 May 2007 13:01:37 EDT Re: interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413800 anon : I have been cantenna connected to my neighbors access for 2 years now. I dont want to stir unknown trouble so I keep quiet and let sleeping dogs lie. But one day somebody is going to really test that "theft of service" claim in court and see if it gets shot all full of holes. People say if somebody leaves their front door open and somebody goes in, its still burglary. But if they leave their front door open for 2 years, how is any jury going to be convinced that entry was unlawfull. Its clearly implied if you want people to stay out, you close the door. Leaving it open for years is about as implied an invitation as it can ever be. And lets face it, there are lots of people that leave hotspots open on purpose and you can't really tell the difference. In court that constitutes reasonable doubt and the case is thrown out. Hence its not really illegal. :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413800 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:51:01 EDT Re: interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413789 anon : gosh, i guess maybe i better stop 2 times @ the next stop sign then eh?, for those of us that maybe a little slow...well, i just ran a stop sign, you know, did not come to a complete!!!stop...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413789 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:46:03 EDT Re: Wooo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413761 kyler13 : 1342 US dollars could get you about 2.5 years of broadband legally from cable (6-8Mbps) or fiber (15-20Mbps). In that 2.5 years, some or all of your neighbors could leave, cancel service, or upgrade to equipment that can't be broken in to. Then you have an expensive paperweight. I'm sure it would be useful to a select number in select locations, but it would be much more attractive if it were, say, a quarter of the cost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413761 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:39:18 EDT Re: interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413749 PDXPLT :
said by jacour See Profile :

Still, this has to illegal as hell in most countries...
Well I wouldn't think the device itself would be illegal, just some (probably most) of its uses.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413749 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:36:14 EDT Re: Wooo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413731 ronpin :
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obviously increasing download speeds.

...uhh...not! It could increase capacity though.
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Still, this has to illegal as hell in most countries as it constitutes unauthorized "theft of service", especially if they are going to deliberately try and hack less secure WEP access points.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413690 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:24:37 EDT Wooo. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413680 Noah Vail : 999 Euros = 1,342.0566 U.S. dollars act:google.

Maybe this could be done cheaper with 6 modified WRT54GL's and....

...what?

I could use 6 nic's in a Server2003 box but MS won't bond them. What would bridging them do? Nothing good I bet. Server 2003 has a hard enough time routing from multiple gateways.

Who's smarter than I am about this? Is there anything in the MS world that would bond multiple connections?

Shine your brilliance here you crazy diamond.

NV]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413680 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:23:03 EDT Re: interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413640 evergreek : 999 euros.. lmao!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413640 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:12:35 EDT interesting http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413591 morbo :
those living in densely populated apartments should love this. the price is a bit steep...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18413591 Tue, 29 May 2007 12:03:37 EDT