 ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
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Re: Satelite sucks might as wells tick with dial-up Woulda, coulda, shoulda...they don't have the capacity and in order to get it they would have to make it just that much more expensive. 200MB is plenty for an average user to get software updates, surf, send/rec email, do homework and other stuff that on dial up would take many hours.
It's not designed to watch Youtube or Slingbox 24/7. It's there for people who want to do pretty much the same thing they would do on dialup, just 10X faster. Remember, many rural dial up connections are slower than normal too, many struggle to get better than 19.2 or 28.8 and are stoked to get 38.4.
It would be great if Hughesnet and Wild Blue could crap bandwidth and give everyone 100Mb for $10, but they can't.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | reply to ColorBASIC
said by ColorBASIC:Woulda, coulda, shoulda...they don't have the capacity and in order to get it they would have to make it just that much more expensive. Wild Blue just launched a satellite a couple of months ago they claim would boost capacity 6 fold. I believe Hughesnet is in line to launch TWO satellites. They have capacity. And they could launch more satellites. Verizon is spending well over a billion dollars a YEAR on FiOS expansion that's easily 4-5 satellites. They just CHOOSE not to compete.
200MB is plenty for an average user to get software updates, surf, send/rec email, do homework and other stuff that on dial up would take many hours.
I bet you use more than 200 MB a day. Whoa re you tosay someon else can't? Also when I updated XP to SP2 it took me over 30 minutes to download at 3 Mbps. That's still 3 hours at 512 Kbps and 2 hours and 10 min at 700 Mbps. And XP is almost ALWAYS wanting you to download some kind of update. Not to mention many other applications.
It's not designed to watch Youtube or Slingbox 24/7. It's there for people who want to do pretty much the same thing they would do on dialup, just 10X faster. Please you're not stupid enough to believe that someone who just surfs and read e-mail will get to do that 10 times faster? You don't need super speed to read an e-mail. Basic websites are not going to load noticably faster at 512 Kbps or 700 Kbps than dial-up. High bandwidth sites will of course. But you just said satelite isn't for that type of user. So you're talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Who in the hell are you to dictate what kind of surfer a person out in the boonies SHOULD be? You: "Well Mr Boonieguy you are only allowed to be an 'average' surfer that only reads e-mail and occasionally downloads software updates. Meanwhile because I live in the city I'll be using 200 GB a month because I'm special." |
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kudos:5 | Too bad the latency over satellite makes any useful applications of high speed internet pointless. I have a friend on satellite and his latency over the first 2 hops is always around 700-1000ms. Satellite as a whole isnt useful for much more than web browsing and checking ur email. Realtime comm over apps like ventrillo, and most online games are just a joke on satellite. |
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One interesting exception is World of Warcraft. As long as your pings are below 1000ms, WoW is actually quite playable on satellite. It probably would not be good for a rogue trying to do high-speed combo moves like a fighting game, but for a priest or mage like me, it works fine.  |
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ColorBASIC8-bit FunPremium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
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Wild Blue doesn't have the capital Verizon does and until satellites are in orbit, set up and integrated, they aren't part of any capacity. These deployments take time, a lot of it.
As for 200MB a day, yeah I use more than that on occasion when I'm illegally downloading XBOX 360 and Wii images from the usenet so what? I likely use more than you do. I'm sure there is someone somewhere who uses more than I do. It's completely irrelevant.
What you're suggesting is that a guy buys an LS430 expects the same performance as someone who buys a Corvette and bitches when his car doesn't do 0-60 in 4.5 seconds. They're different cars for different purposes. Satellite HSI was meant for very casual use where people want a bit more speed, not be tying up a phone line etc and if you aren't a casual user don't buy it. And who am I to say it? Someone who actually had DRS and actually READ Hughesnet and Wild Blue's product pages and TOS/AUP before commenting about them.
If someone just has gotta DL more than 200MB a day every day, let them start a WISP. That my my neighbors did before we had cable, DSL or fiber here.
And yes, a casual user who grabs software updates (eg Windows Updates), surfs and sends and receives email will do it faster on satellite. How do I know this? Because I actually HAD it.
Use your head, even the most flash intensive websites aren't that big, but are big enough to be painfully slow on 19.2-28.8K baud dial up. For these users satellite is great. Who it is not great for is most online gaming and people downloading a lot of stuff every day. And both of the major satellite providers make this perfectly clear. |
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 DoctorDoomTroll hunterPremium
join:2006-09-19
Becket, MA
1 edit | reply to ColorBASIC
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It's not designed to watch Youtube or Slingbox 24/7. It's there for people who want to do pretty much the same thing they would do on dialup, just 10X faster. Remember, many rural dial up connections are slower than normal too, many struggle to get better than 19.2 or 28.8 and are stoked to get 38.4.
I'm one of them. I've been on since Sept 06 (Pro plan). I have yet to be fapped, and am enjoying the typical 1 Mpbs (other than peak hours) after over a decade at a max of about 26.4 Kbps. My signal is usually a rock-solid 91 with peaks at 92. It goes through solar "outages" without a hiccup. And I have yet to encounter weather that disabled it, even with snow and ice on the dish.
In short, I'm satisfied with my system.
The Web is becoming inceasingly inaccessible to dial-up users. There is no broadband alternative here, and zero nil nada chance of there ever being an alternative in my lifetime. I therefore have two and only two options: dial-up or satellite. Given the choices, there is no choice.
Sorry to disappoint the "Woe is us!", "Hughes is evil!" crowd, but I like like HN. |
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said by ColorBASIC:Remember, many rural dial up connections are slower than normal too, many struggle to get better than 19.2 or 28.8 and are stoked to get 38.4. try less than 14 with dialup from my crapola phone lines. I even cancelled my landline because I'll be damned if I pay $30+ a month for a phone that goes dead every time it rains.
CO-OP Phone service SUCKS!@!!!!!! They are immune from the regulatory bodies that make the other utilities actually WORK.
I have Hughes and I HATE IT...but I have absolutely no other choice.
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