atuarre
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clubs:  | I call bullshit
This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. |
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Camelot One
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| Well you have to consider this. The FCC "sold" the rights to those frequencies to the cell companies. Where did they get the right to sell the airspace over your house and mine? Because they are the government.
Now you or I trying to collect $$ from a cell company for our air space, sure, that won't fly. But it's because we don't own the airspace, the US Government does.
But an Indian Reservation IS a separate country under the law, so I could see SOME merit in this. It's no different than France selling spectrum, and then England wanting a cut for the signals traveling over England.
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Stumbles
join:2002-12-17
Port Saint Lucie, FL | reply to atuarre
Bullshit my ass that's a great idea. So in the same vein I'm suing you for breathing my air!
Hee. |
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atuarre
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| You don't own air. Did you make the air? The same goes for this. These indians are just riddled with greed. Cell phone signals are not a natural resource. Cell phone signals do not come from the Earth. They come from cell towers.
Again, this is complete and utter greedy bullshit. |
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Stumbles
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Well that don't matter when your dealing with absurdities. |
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Camelot One
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said by atuarre  :You don't own air. Did you make the air? The same goes for this. These indians are just riddled with greed. Cell phone signals are not a natural resource. Cell phone signals do not come from the Earth. They come from cell towers. Again, this is complete and utter greedy bullshit. And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because?
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fiberguy
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The injins may be sovereign nations but they are a small "incident" from loosing their nations.
Treatys? In today's era, they're simple pieces of paper which can be run through a shredder.
IN MY OPINION, the indian sovereign nation is just a symbolic thing any more. I KNOW they are sovereign nations but like I said.. symbolic at best.
In the U.S., for example, that could be changed pretty quick.
- Cut them off from the U.S. They don't want the signals? cut them off! Place embargos on them, etc etc. Let them feast from the land.
- They can be starved off in many ways such as they were doing here in MN when the indians tried to flex their muscles.
Largely, we still, as the daddy nations, tell them what they can and can't do anyway. If they were truly sovereign, then why do WE regulate their gambling activity?
Last time I checked, the Indians didn't really have an army.. hell, in SD until recently, it was legal to shoot or kill Indians in groups of 5 or more as it was an old law having to do with a hostile attack.
This whole story is funny.
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nixen
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said by Camelot One :It's no different than France selling spectrum, and then England wanting a cut for the signals traveling over England. Given that radio frequencies are generally "line of site" and England is pretty much over the horizon from France, this isn't a terribly valid comparison.
At any rate...
If the Indians want a cut, do it by hosting repeaters. Or, if they want to force the issue, set up interference generators on their territories and turn their lands into cell black holes. If it's important enough, the carriers will try to cut a deal.
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Kearnstd
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Mullica Hill, NJ | reply to atuarre
you cant control where a radio signal goes from an omnidirectional antenna array, so this is a money grab that is all.
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bmn
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said by atuarre :This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. No, because you have no claim to the airspace above your home or land.
However, indigenous tribes on reservations do because they are considered sovereign nations.
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yock
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said by atuarre :This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. Look at it this way. If these Native American tribes wanted to erect their own wireless infrastructure on their sovereign land utilizing those signals, they couldn't because our signals are already in place and interfering with anything they might build.
The more I think about it, the more I think this is based on solid logic.
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FiL
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Silver Spring, MD | reply to Camelot One
they won't answer that...but the posters WILL continue fanning their own flames...
im with u cam, how does one party "sell" the spectrum, but another party can't recoup from it being sold? |
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morbo
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why don't you just say what you're thinking: kill the indians. they interfere with making money. there. is it that difficult to voice what you believe? rather than dancing around it with subtle and not so subtle threats. |
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en102
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said by Camelot One :But an Indian Reservation IS a separate country under the law, so I could see SOME merit in this. It's no different than France selling spectrum, and then England wanting a cut for the signals traveling over England. What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
If they want to collect off of wireless / cellular spectrum, tune, and block off that area. Require them have their own country code, border patrol, currency, etc. |
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en102
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Valencia, CA | reply to Kearnstd
Why would anybody be still using omnidirectional antennas for cell service these days. |
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fiberguy
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Wow! While you were busy shoving words in my mouth that I didn't mean, it seems that what's on your mind is killing the Indians.
I didn't think that at all.. what I did say, and said it pretty clearly was that their alleged country is symbolic. Like anything else, things can change. The U.S. could at any time take the land from them..
Very simple.. land is fought for, won, and taken all the time. The world's landscape has change much over time. Israel, the continent of Africa, the U.S., etc. etc. Borders change, people loose land.. it's the history of the world. Mexicans are still claiming that the South West U.S. belongs to them, that the U.S. took it unfairly. So?? Too bad. We battled, they lost.. it's ours.
It's life, and it's how things work like it or not. I know there are plenty of bleeding hearts that think we are bullies and need give back what we took.. those same people hate this country, and like Israel, probably shouldn't exist in the way we do today. (Those types can first give up their land and then get lost)
The only way to set things straight is to bring the world back to day one and reset the land to what the cooks of the world think it was.
My post was about the land, not the people.
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| said by fiberguy :Wow! While you were busy shoving words in my mouth that I didn't mean, it seems that what's on your mind is killing the Indians. I didn't think that at all.. what I did say, and said it pretty clearly was that their alleged country is symbolic. Like anything else, things can change. The U.S. could at any time take the land from them.. Very simple.. land is fought for, won, and taken all the time. The world's landscape has change much over time. Israel, the continent of Africa, the U.S., etc. etc. Borders change, people loose land.. it's the history of the world. Mexicans are still claiming that the South West U.S. belongs to them, that the U.S. took it unfairly. So?? Too bad. We battled, they lost.. it's ours. It's life, and it's how things work like it or not. I know there are plenty of bleeding hearts that think we are bullies and need give back what we took.. those same people hate this country, and like Israel, probably shouldn't exist in the way we do today. (Those types can first give up their land and then get lost) The only way to set things straight is to bring the world back to day one and reset the land to what the cooks of the world think it was. My post was about the land, not the people. The Indians messed up , they let the white men come ashore on their land. Every square in of the us belongs to the Indians. They should have killed every one of them when they came off the ship.   |
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sporkme
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said by atuarre :These indians are just riddled with greed. Yeah, the fucking nerve of those Injuns! |
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In a way, it could be argued that the country gave their portion of spectrum away without any compensation. When taken to the extreme though, what happens to satellite transmissions? Would the U.S. have to compensate every country on the planet because of GPS transmissions?
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lawrence818
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Lets have one more civil war. Blue vs. Red states
I should get royalties for all the GAS I pass every day. That stuff is hard to produce you know!
FYI the India people do not belive in ownership of nature, the lands they hunt on. |
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