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atuarre
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clubs:  | I call bullshit This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. | |
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Camelot One
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| Re: I call bullshit Well you have to consider this. The FCC "sold" the rights to those frequencies to the cell companies. Where did they get the right to sell the airspace over your house and mine? Because they are the government.
Now you or I trying to collect $$ from a cell company for our air space, sure, that won't fly. But it's because we don't own the airspace, the US Government does.
But an Indian Reservation IS a separate country under the law, so I could see SOME merit in this. It's no different than France selling spectrum, and then England wanting a cut for the signals traveling over England.
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| | fiberguy
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| Re: I call bullshit The injins may be sovereign nations but they are a small "incident" from loosing their nations.
Treatys? In today's era, they're simple pieces of paper which can be run through a shredder.
IN MY OPINION, the indian sovereign nation is just a symbolic thing any more. I KNOW they are sovereign nations but like I said.. symbolic at best.
In the U.S., for example, that could be changed pretty quick.
- Cut them off from the U.S. They don't want the signals? cut them off! Place embargos on them, etc etc. Let them feast from the land.
- They can be starved off in many ways such as they were doing here in MN when the indians tried to flex their muscles.
Largely, we still, as the daddy nations, tell them what they can and can't do anyway. If they were truly sovereign, then why do WE regulate their gambling activity?
Last time I checked, the Indians didn't really have an army.. hell, in SD until recently, it was legal to shoot or kill Indians in groups of 5 or more as it was an old law having to do with a hostile attack.
This whole story is funny.
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morbo
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit why don't you just say what you're thinking: kill the indians. they interfere with making money. there. is it that difficult to voice what you believe? rather than dancing around it with subtle and not so subtle threats. | |
| | | | fiberguy
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit Wow! While you were busy shoving words in my mouth that I didn't mean, it seems that what's on your mind is killing the Indians.
I didn't think that at all.. what I did say, and said it pretty clearly was that their alleged country is symbolic. Like anything else, things can change. The U.S. could at any time take the land from them..
Very simple.. land is fought for, won, and taken all the time. The world's landscape has change much over time. Israel, the continent of Africa, the U.S., etc. etc. Borders change, people loose land.. it's the history of the world. Mexicans are still claiming that the South West U.S. belongs to them, that the U.S. took it unfairly. So?? Too bad. We battled, they lost.. it's ours.
It's life, and it's how things work like it or not. I know there are plenty of bleeding hearts that think we are bullies and need give back what we took.. those same people hate this country, and like Israel, probably shouldn't exist in the way we do today. (Those types can first give up their land and then get lost)
The only way to set things straight is to bring the world back to day one and reset the land to what the cooks of the world think it was.
My post was about the land, not the people.
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| Re: I call bullshit said by fiberguy :Wow! While you were busy shoving words in my mouth that I didn't mean, it seems that what's on your mind is killing the Indians. I didn't think that at all.. what I did say, and said it pretty clearly was that their alleged country is symbolic. Like anything else, things can change. The U.S. could at any time take the land from them.. Very simple.. land is fought for, won, and taken all the time. The world's landscape has change much over time. Israel, the continent of Africa, the U.S., etc. etc. Borders change, people loose land.. it's the history of the world. Mexicans are still claiming that the South West U.S. belongs to them, that the U.S. took it unfairly. So?? Too bad. We battled, they lost.. it's ours. It's life, and it's how things work like it or not. I know there are plenty of bleeding hearts that think we are bullies and need give back what we took.. those same people hate this country, and like Israel, probably shouldn't exist in the way we do today. (Those types can first give up their land and then get lost) The only way to set things straight is to bring the world back to day one and reset the land to what the cooks of the world think it was. My post was about the land, not the people. The Indians messed up , they let the white men come ashore on their land. Every square in of the us belongs to the Indians. They should have killed every one of them when they came off the ship.   | |
| | | | | | fiberguy
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| Re: I call bullshit So with your thinking, maybe the muslims should kill all the Jews in Israel? The Mexicans should kill all the "white men" in the south west U.S.? With your thinking, maybe the whole world should kill each other.
It's survival of the fittest in this world.
And, you may want to do your fact finding, ... Indians were not the first people to settle on what is now called the United States.
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antarctica | Re: I call bullshit Oh yeah, who was it then? The Norse/Vikings? I dare you to say that it was them, seriously. Say it was them so everyone can see how intelligent you are. | |
| | | | | | | | fiberguy
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| Re: I call bullshit I hear a lot of blabbing but nothing worth responding two.
Wow! Twice in the same thread has someone tried to put words in my mouth!
I didn't know I was on Comedy Central's website!
Grow up, little boy.
said by james :Say it was them so everyone can see how intelligent you are. I don't know about that, but I think you just did a great job showing your own lack of intelligence...
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| said by fiberguy :The injins may be sovereign nations but they are a small "incident" from loosing their nations. Wow, you're RIGHT!
Just imagine if the redskin savage heathens loosed their nation. Why, there would be whiskey bottles and teepees all over the place. No white womens would be safe from the ravaging hordes of loose "injins" full of fire-water!
Oh, wait a second, you meant "losing". See, they aren't the same word, you know. They mean very different things.
Now your comment makes more sense.
It's still a bigoted rant from an ignorant racist, but at least it makes sense.
I think this "air-wave money grab" idea is the second stupidest thing I've heard all week.
Fiberguy's prejudiced Klan-rant is obviously in first place.
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Bullshit my ass that's a great idea. So in the same vein I'm suing you for breathing my air!
Hee. | |
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atuarre
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| Re: I call bullshit You don't own air. Did you make the air? The same goes for this. These indians are just riddled with greed. Cell phone signals are not a natural resource. Cell phone signals do not come from the Earth. They come from cell towers.
Again, this is complete and utter greedy bullshit. | |
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Port Saint Lucie, FL | Re: I call bullshit Well that don't matter when your dealing with absurdities. | |
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Camelot One
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| said by atuarre :You don't own air. Did you make the air? The same goes for this. These indians are just riddled with greed. Cell phone signals are not a natural resource. Cell phone signals do not come from the Earth. They come from cell towers. Again, this is complete and utter greedy bullshit. And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because?
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FiL
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Silver Spring, MD | Re: I call bullshit they won't answer that...but the posters WILL continue fanning their own flames...
im with u cam, how does one party "sell" the spectrum, but another party can't recoup from it being sold? | |
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1 edit | said by Camelot One :And the FCC is able to sell spectrum, because? The FCC doesn't "sell spectrum". Under U.S. Law, the electromagnetic spectrum (the portion considered radio, anyway) is owned by the American people, period. The FCC, as first authorized by the Communications Act of 1934, grants licenses to portions of that spectrum under various terms and conditions, sometimes for a fee, and also permits certain unlicensed operation.
The spectrum is a commonly-owned resource, i.e., an owner of real property in the U.S. does not have any ownership of the electromagnetic spectrum in the volume of space above his property.
Of course this is the case for the United States. The story is about a Canadian Tribe, so the FCC and U.S. law is irrelevant. Whether they have a case under Canadian law, I have no idea.
BTW, the comment as to "England controlling signals from France", the coordination of spectrum use between nations is governed by multinational treaty; namely, the Convention and the Constitution of the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). For example, the FCC follows slightly different rules in allocating TV and radio station licenses in areas close to the Canadian and Mexican borders, in order to coordinate with those governments. Although as far as the ITU is concerned, this would be an internal Canadian matter. | |
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| said by atuarre :These indians are just riddled with greed. Yeah, the fucking nerve of those Injuns! | |
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james
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| Re: I call bullshit These natives should be entitled to the resources their ancestors had, as per their agreement with the government. I say we give them their cut of the proceeds of the radio wave spectrum, just like their ancestors had. I mean they're just as entitled to that as they are to being allowed to run a real vegas style casino... like their ancestors had of course. Their ancestors didnt settle for none of those video poker machines! so why should they? Also, better be careful, they might urinate on our ancestors with a mighty stream of urine. Also, Hesh wants married sex. | |
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2 edits | Lets have one more civil war. Blue vs. Red states I should get royalties for all the GAS I pass every day. That stuff is hard to produce you know!
FYI the India people do not belive in ownership of nature, the lands they hunt on. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | you cant control where a radio signal goes from an omnidirectional antenna array, so this is a money grab that is all.
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Valencia, CA | Re: I call bullshit Why would anybody be still using omnidirectional antennas for cell service these days. | |
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| said by atuarre :This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. No, because you have no claim to the airspace above your home or land.
However, indigenous tribes on reservations do because they are considered sovereign nations.
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major marco
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| Re: I call bullshit said by bmn :[...]you have no claim to the airspace above your home or land. I don't know how it works in any other State, but actually, in California, yes you do in fact have claim to air rights and ground, as well. Rights to the use of the open space or vertical plane above a property, for e.g.
Ownership of land includes the right to all air above the property. Until the airplane, this right was unlimited, but now the courts permit reasonable interference with one's air rights, such as is necessary for aircraft, so long as the owner's right to use and occupy the land is not lessened. Thus, low-flying aircraft might be unreasonably trespassing, and their owners would be liable for any damages. Governments and airport authorities often purchase air rights adjacent to an airport, called an avigation easement, to provide glide patterns for air traffic.
The air itself is not real property; however, air space is real property when described in three dimensions with reference to a specific parcel of land, as in a condominium unit.
Air rights may also be transferred by way of easements, such as those used in constructing elevated highways or in acquiring scenic easements or easements of light and air. It sounds to me like the Canuck Indians are looking to sell an easement.
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Seattle, WA | Re: I call bullshit Those air rights are generally for physical occupation by buildings, etc. Those air rights do not include wireless spectrum, which is owned by the people and licensed by the government (in the US anyway).
So no, you're wrong. | |
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit said by soccerguy :Those air rights are generally for physical occupation by buildings, etc. Those air rights do not include wireless spectrum, which is owned by the people and licensed by the government (in the US anyway). So no, you're wrong. I base my above-referenced statements on current California State Law. What's your source?
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1 edit | Re: I call bullshit The fact that federal law trumps California state law on this issue. And federal law says the people through the federal government own the spectrum in the air above your property. You do not.
Air rights laws generally refer to development rights, which means physical building and construction, not the ownership of transmission of radio, television, cellular or other type of non-physical media that may pass through or above the property you own.
This is a well-settled area of the law. Perhaps you are misreading the purpose of the California law. | |
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| said by atuarre :This is complete and utter bullshit. If thats the case, then I, and every other joe blow out there should be compensated for cell phone signals, other than our selected carriers passing through our airspace. Look at it this way. If these Native American tribes wanted to erect their own wireless infrastructure on their sovereign land utilizing those signals, they couldn't because our signals are already in place and interfering with anything they might build.
The more I think about it, the more I think this is based on solid logic.
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| Re: I call bullshit In a way, it could be argued that the country gave their portion of spectrum away without any compensation. When taken to the extreme though, what happens to satellite transmissions? Would the U.S. have to compensate every country on the planet because of GPS transmissions?
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