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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
1 edit | reply to NHpublius
Re: Futile They will absolutely not upgrade an area that they have determined will not become profitable. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE TRYING TO SELL IT. IF the deal falls through, they will look for other buyers, and continue cutting back support staff to absolute minimums to scratch whatever profit they can from the area.
I didn't suggest that Maine, NH, VT create their own companies. I suggested they build their own network (which you say is inexpensive and largely in place already, which I doubt, but I have no idea) and lease it to whatever companies would like to offer service on it. Those lease payments can then be used to pay off the revenue bonds, and maintain the network.
It certainly is cheaper to maintain, and lay a mile of fiber than copper. But the copper is ALREADY run, so when you compare the immediate cost of maintaining copper versus RUNNING AND MAINTAINING fiber, you're upside down again.
I didn't say Fairpoint's customer service is better. I said it would be the same that it is now, which will be better than what Verizon will leave behind if it's forced to stay there.
Thanks for all the "education". | |
1 edit | You're welcome. Heres some more.
Fairpoint communications was the very, absolute, no doubt about it, LAST company that Verizon chose for this sale. So, when the sale falls through they won't just look for another buyer... Their won't be any others. Check on Citizens and Embarq communications.. They were MUCH better poised to buy the three states than Fairpoint, but they saw right through everything. They know it is a horrible deal.
Second, Maine, NH, and Vermont are among the top 5 most profitable properties in the Verizon footprint. They are marketing and installing FIOS in their least profitable states (Mass, Rhode Island, and New Jersey) in order to finally make some type of a profit.
Third, most of the copper in the farther reaches of all three states are in such bad condition that they need to be replaced fully. There are many, many homes in areas that already have DSL access that are less than a mile from the Central office, but cannot receive service because the lines are so screwed up. So, replacing that copper with Fiber is cost effective. (look at me, right side up as always!)
And lastly, stick to your gut when you say you have "no idea". That much is completely obvious. I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that all that fiber is already in place. In fact, most of it has been in place for years and years.. it's just laying their waiting to be used (see, "dark fiber")
oh wait, one more thing.. obviously you never did well in math class. When I say that Fairpoints customer service is twice as bad as verizon then it would not stand to reason that "it would be the same it is now".
Let me know if you want to know anything else. | |
Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | said by NHpublius:You're welcome. Heres some more. Fairpoint communications was the very, absolute, no doubt about it, LAST company that Verizon chose for this sale. So, when the sale falls through they won't just look for another buyer... Their won't be any others. Check on Citizens and Embarq communications.. They were MUCH better poised to buy the three states than Fairpoint, but they saw right through everything. They know it is a horrible deal. Why is it a horrible deal? Because it's unprofitable, or because the price is too high? If it's a matter of price, then it's a matter of lowering that price to sell to another. If it's unprofitable then you've just contradicted exactly what you say in the next paragraph. Either way, you've obviously drank the kool aid..
said by NHpublius:Second, Maine, NH, and Vermont are among the top 5 most profitable properties in the Verizon footprint. They are marketing and installing FIOS in their least profitable states (Mass, Rhode Island, and New Jersey) in order to finally make some type of a profit. Oh yeah, I'm sure that's the case. Verizon is dumping all their profit centers to boost capital spending in all the places they don't make money. There's a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you...
said by NHpublius:Third, most of the copper in the farther reaches of all three states are in such bad condition that they need to be replaced fully. There are many, many homes in areas that already have DSL access that are less than a mile from the Central office, but cannot receive service because the lines are so screwed up. So, replacing that copper with Fiber is cost effective. (look at me, right side up as always!) Not if you're not going to replace the copper, regardless if you're customers can get DSL or not.
said by NHpublius:And lastly, stick to your gut when you say you have "no idea". That much is completely obvious. I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that all that fiber is already in place. In fact, most of it has been in place for years and years.. it's just laying their waiting to be used (see, "dark fiber") The cost of laying fiber isn't the long haul ("dark fiber") it's the last mile. There's no "dark" last mile fiber.
said by NHpublius:oh wait, one more thing.. obviously you never did well in math class. When I say that Fairpoints customer service is twice as bad as verizon then it would not stand to reason that "it would be the same it is now". The deficiency is in English, which would be incorrectly qualifying the first "it". "Fairpoints customer service" would be the same as it is now. Better?
said by NHpublius:Let me know if you want to "know " anything else. Fixed it for you.. | |
| Well, you're persistent if not a complete idiot... Lets break it down (again), shall we?
Why is it a horrible deal? Because it's unprofitable, or because the price is too high? If it's a matter of price, then it's a matter of lowering that price to sell to another. If it's unprofitable then you've just contradicted exactly what you say in the next paragraph. Either way, you've obviously drank the kool aid..
Why? Because they are spending Billions of dollars just to acquire a company. A telecommunications company that has historically for the past ten years had declining revenue in Telephone service, and is making ho hum profits with DSL. Also, in order to get to that last 20% of rural homes in NH alone is going to be a very expensive, long, drawn out undertaking. That doesn't even include wiring, and installing DSL in nearly all of Maine and Vermont. In the short term (3-5 years) it's a money maker, but in the long term it's a losing proposition especially because Fairpoint is relying on old internet technology and does not intend to upgrade anything.
Oh yeah, I'm sure that's the case. Verizon is dumping all their profit centers to boost capital spending in all the places they don't make money. There's a bridge in Brooklyn I want to sell you...
Don't believe me? It's a financial fact. Sift through the Verizon financials to find out on your own. And you can keep your bridge.
Not if you're not going to replace the copper, regardless if you're customers can get DSL or not.
That makes no sense.
The cost of laying fiber isn't the long haul ("dark fiber") it's the last mile. There's no "dark" last mile fiber.
So, you've run the fiber that's in place? You have knowledge of what is up where? My guess is that you don't.. you're just pulling all of this out of your butt. Contrary to your popular belief, much of the fiber is already in place along every highway, major road, and thoroughfare. In most populated areas it's already in most of the neighborhoods. Wherever it isn't its basically just a matter of running a drop from the pole to the house. Don't speak to something you have no idea about.
The deficiency is in English, which would be incorrectly qualifying the first "it". "Fairpoints customer service" would be the same as it is now. Better?
Sure. So you would be happy with sub-standard service? Service that is even worse than Verizons?
So, I guess that's about it... Let me know when you would like to educated again.
Your pal,
NHPublius
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | said by NHpublius:Why? Because they are spending Billions of dollars just to acquire a company. A telecommunications company that has historically for the past ten years had declining revenue in Telephone service, and is making ho hum profits with DSL. Also, in order to get to that last 20% of rural homes in NH alone is going to be a very expensive, long, drawn out undertaking. That doesn't even include wiring, and installing DSL in nearly all of Maine and Vermont. In the short term (3-5 years) it's a money maker, but in the long term it's a losing proposition especially because Fairpoint is relying on old internet technology and does not intend to upgrade anything. Hence the "lower the price".
said by NHpublius:Don't believe me? It's a financial fact. Sift through the Verizon financials to find out on your own. And you can keep your bridge. I don't believe you, nor will I waste time looking it up, since Verizon would not still be in business if this is the business model they pursued.
said by NHpublius: Not if you're not going to replace the copper, regardless if you're customers can get DSL or not.That makes no sense. If you don't replace the copper it is less expensive, then upgrading to fiber.
said by NHpublius:So, you've run the fiber that's in place? You have knowledge of what is up where? My guess is that you don't.. you're just pulling all of this out of your butt. Contrary to your popular belief, much of the fiber is already in place along every highway, major road, and thoroughfare. In most populated areas it's already in most of the neighborhoods. Wherever it isn't its basically just a matter of running a drop from the pole to the house. Don't speak to something you have no idea about. Laugh, you can't just add drops from the pole to the house on a long haul fiber network.
said by NHpublius:Sure. So you would be happy with sub-standard service? Service that is even worse than Verizons? Not at all, what's that got to do with anything?
said by NHpublius:So, I guess that's about it... Let me know when you would like to "educated" again. You've certainly got a lot to teach about the use of logical fallacies. | |
| I think I'm losing IQ points every time I read another one of your posts. Everything you say is backed by nothing but conjecture and guesswork. I suggest before you reply again next time that you actually do some research and educate yourself...
With that said, lets get into it again...
1) Verizon offered the northern states to Fairpoint for a slightly lower price than what was expected. I don't see 2.7 Billion as deal any way you look at it.
2) You overestimate Verizon and their business model. Yet again you speak to something you know nothing about
3) So if you don't replace the copper, then most of the areas that Fairpoint says they will upgrade will be not be upgraded....
4) You can place a drop where ever you want to. It's called fiber splicing.
5)What it has to do with anything is Fairpoint is statistically a lower ranking company in concerns to customer service than Verizon is.
6)"fallacies", huh? did you pull out your thesaurus for that one? If fallacies means "backed by fact" then I guess I'm guilty as charged..
Lastly, heres something else to chew on... Morgan Stanley just reduced it's rating on Fairpoint due to no confidence in their business plan....
Until next time,
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| I always find it interesting how quickly people like Aherni and Bostones1 shutup once they are bombarded over and over by the facts.... Where are you? | |
Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA | Either you want me to stop posting or you don't.
Since you didn't actually bring anything up, I had decided not to respond. All you did was state the opposite of what I said, or that I was wrong.
1.) Nothing to do with them lowing the price in the future to attract more bids.
2.) Apparently reality has changed, and that's why I'm wrong..
3.) Yes, but what's that got to do with VZ not upgrading copper, vs the cost of upgrading to fiber? Nothing.. once again you just blather on..
4.) Just adding drops in the middle of a long haul fiber run is not going to work.. Otherwise I'll just go add a drop to the fiber line going right by my house.. That's been there for 15 years btw.
5.) Statistically lower ranking on average. How do you think they'll treat the customers they're forced to retain, on infrastructure they won't spend money to support. I imagine they'll need a new scale for how bad it will get.
6.) Logical fallacies: »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy
I'll leave it up to you to select the plethora (you can look that one up too) you've decided to use.
6b) ...or because they have a massive short position. | |
| Oh, I want you to stop posting, its just that your so darn entertaining.
Nothing has changed.. you know nothing about Verizon's business model.
Listen carefully.... You can add a fiber drop ANYWHERE within a fiber span... that includes the fiber right in front of your house.. but if it's been hanging there for 15 years it's probably not the best type of fiber to splice into (single mode vs multimode... go ahead and look that up)
They will treat customers that "they're forced to retain" the same as any other customer they have... that's part of their business model silly!
And lastly, Morgan Stanley is not just another firm looking for a short position.. They are Fairpoint's CHIEF financial adviser in this merger.. which means that Fairpoint hired them to look over this deal top to bottom to make sure it's in the best interest of Fairpoint and it's investors. They have access to intimate knowledge that we, as the public are not privy to.
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