Topic 'And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain' in forum 'Adelphia HSI' - dslreports.com http://www.dslreports.com/forum/And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18456267 en Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:53:42 EDT Sat, 11 Feb 2012 08:53:42 EDT I hear her singing now, folks ... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/I-hear-her-singing-now-folks-18542057
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Bye ... bye ... A-DEL-PHI-A
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/I-hear-her-singing-now-folks-18542057 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:25:57 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18542000 said by hobgoblin:

Totally off topic I just bought the new 4 set DVD of the Stones.

Go and get it now!

Hob
One of my sisters would LOVE to get these. She has loved the Stones since her early teens, and still does just as much. Never misses a show when they tour. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18542000 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:16:11 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18541897
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Go and get it now!

Hob
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18541615 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 19:06:39 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18541560
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18541560 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:54:51 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18538096 said by SOLdesign:

could we stop bashing and go back to beer drinking? I AGREE!

Hob, can you pass me a Blue? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18538096 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 06:48:49 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18537272

if God made shoes, they would look like this...
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18537272 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 00:05:04 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536756 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536756 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:32:07 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536667
I knew I could get it Back To Pickler]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536667 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:19:34 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536617 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536617 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 22:11:00 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536300
I began working at the Buffalo TAC in the fall of 2001. After repeatedly hearing about this site from many irate callers, I began to visit and liked it so much I decided to join 2002. During this time, I tried to help here and there. When I left Adelphia in 2003, I still hung out here but posted less and less as I was no longer in the loop on the Adelphia happenings and didn't want to give out outdated information.

I learned a great deal by just lurking and reading Hob and Mac's posts. No matter what happens with the Adelphia/TW situation, you two at the very least will always find success based on the vast knowledge you have in your fields.

I now mainly hang out and help in the »OS and Software forums and read allot of topics in the »Home Improvement forum (just closed on my first house).

I sure will miss this forum and most of it's members (bbscript??)

Good luck to all the folks in Buffalo and elsewhere in the country.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18536300 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 21:08:18 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18533241
There was little to no chance of Adelphia ever coming out of bankruptcy so the Court did what needed done.

Adelphia's problems had little to do with "The burst"(really a big BOOM) or the market itself but fraud on part of the Regases and their head Administration.
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A Ghost.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18533241 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:52:54 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18532987 said by Dominokat:

It was a horrible day when it was officaly "bought out." I had high hope it was going to emerge on it's own. But the greed of the stock holders prevailed. (I can understand it though.) I had hoped they would give Adelphia a chance though.

Huh? The greed of the stockholders? You'd better research your facts. I don't think the stockholders got, or will get even a dime of the Time Warner/Comcast proceeds. Actually, I don't even see where the stock even trades anymore unless it's somewhere on the pink sheets for a penny or so.

I'm no lawyer but I don't think the stockholders even had a say in what happened following the bankruptcy filing.
Who gets paid are the lawyers, courts..employees..and CREDITORS, meaning the individuals, banks and/or companies that loaned them money.

Stockholders are the very last in line and only get whatever is left, if anything. And, in this case, I think the debt of the company exceeded what they even sold the company for.

And, so it was or is probably a total wipeout for stockholders.

Perhaps the creditors could have all joined together and decided to keep the company running by converting their interests to new shares of stock or whatever, but it's my understanding that is only more commonly done when there is little proceeds to be had and in order to try to recoup something down the road, they agree to take an equity interest instead. And to give the company a fresh start by eliminating or reducing the debt it has.
But there was no incentive here to do that. They'll recover a great deal of the money they were owed and can just now move on. It's far better to invest in a more stable company like Comcast or Time Warner than risk a smaller cable company anymore. Plus, the price was obviously right and these assets commanded a sizeable price to be sold now.

I think in summary, you have to ask yourself, who really was harmed in the long run? Obviously, some employees who were displaced, but a great deal of them were offered other jobs, albeit in different areas. Customers..simply were given a new provider. The Rigas's..went to jail apparently. The Creditors, will or have gotten most of their money.
Lawyers..courts..executives..all have done probably very well off of all this.

And stockholders? A worthless piece of paper to hang on the wall, reminding them of how risky the market can be sometimes.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18532987 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 12:11:57 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18531636 But we also owe gratitude to our Mods who put up with us.
To Sorto and even Capt. Keys. Thank you! :)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18531636 Tue, 19 Jun 2007 07:00:29 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18530110
Agreed!

TrainBuff and I shared a couple of Blues tonight at Pearl Street, shame none of you could join us....

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
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]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18530110 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 22:13:48 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18529878
I need to rejoin the folding team as I somehow managed to screw it up on my PC.

The RR forum could use a boost of whatever is in the air on this forum.

What are they going to do with all this furnture and that cardboard bar here??

Peace]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18529878 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 21:40:14 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18528132 See Profile gives us cats a bad reputation. :o ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18528132 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 16:48:05 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525932
and the Cats]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525932 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 10:36:25 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525904 See Profile, but no antdude. :(

pianotech See Profile, I IMed you. We'll look for your posts over there. :)

Good answer, goblin. I think there is a link in my sig to the basics of how to join, but it's friendly and fun if you post your questions in that forum and start getting to know the people, clowns and critters there. :)
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»icrontic.com/files/thraxfoldingflash/

or this

»www.teamshort-media.com/videos/f···sh2.html

Oh and there are some cool ppl in there....excluding me.

Hob
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"A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds."
- Ralph Waldo Emerson
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525314 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:35:34 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525305 said by TrainBuff:

Both of you will welcomed there.
What's the forum about and what makes it tick?
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What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525305 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:31:33 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525277 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18525277 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 07:18:49 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18523810 said by sortofageek:

Yes, we have a goblin, a cat, a train ... but no pianist. :)"How wude!!" Not even the ant?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18523810 Sun, 17 Jun 2007 21:29:20 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18522508 said by sortofageek:

Yes, we have a goblin, a cat, a train ... but no pianist. :)
Guess I'll have to do something about that :)
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What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18522508 Sun, 17 Jun 2007 16:37:32 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18521639 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18521639 Sun, 17 Jun 2007 13:16:45 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18521548 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18521548 Sun, 17 Jun 2007 12:57:45 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18520638 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18520638 Sun, 17 Jun 2007 08:49:42 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18518431 said by sortofageek:

Of course, you are all invited here, as well ---> »Team Helix

You might see some Adelphia Forum formers there now and then, including a folding(@home) goblin. ;)
I'm there too... ;)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18518431 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 18:44:45 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18518246 »Team Helix

You might see some Adelphia Forum formers there now and then, including a folding(@home) goblin. ;)
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What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18517444 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 14:46:43 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18517231 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18517231 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 13:54:06 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18517034
»formeradelphia.yuku.com/
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What if the Hokey Pokey really IS what it's all about??]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18517034 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:58:00 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516955 said by sortofageek:

said by TrainBuff:

It ain't over to you know who sings.
Are you calling me a fat lady? :o
NEVER! Not you! And on a side note, nice before picture of you from Giz. :D
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The New York, New Haven & Hartford Railroad Co.:1872-1968. Serving New York and the Great Industrial States of Massachusetts, Rhode Island and Connecticut.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516955 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:38:49 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516947 said by TrainBuff:

It ain't over to you know who sings.
Are you calling him a fat lady? :o
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Join Team Helix * I am praying for these friends .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516947 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:36:41 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516867 said by TrainBuff:

It ain't over to you know who sings.
Are you calling me a fat lady? :o
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Join Team Helix * I am praying for these friends .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516867 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:19:54 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516853 http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18516853 Sat, 16 Jun 2007 12:16:28 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18515180
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18515180 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 23:54:16 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514639 said by sortofageek:

Just a heads up ... it may be getting close to closing time if anyone wants a last round or to say good night before heading home. :)

I'll take a Heineken... okay, maybe 7 or 8.

All I can say is this. I loved Adelphia. I was impressed they upgraded my area (even in bankruptcy) and I have totally enjoyed this forum. And most of all the techs and the posters that have helped countless people. It was a horrible day when it was officaly "bought out." I had high hope it was going to emerge on it's own. But the greed of the stock holders prevailed. (I can understand it though.) I had hoped they would give Adelphia a chance though.
Because of the suggestions of some here. I was LITERALLY the very fist person actively subscribed to this cable system when it came on line. :)

This really was (is) a great forum. I will miss it.
Road Runner/Time Warner can never match this one. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514639 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:58:30 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514535
Hob
]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514535 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:39:04 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514512 said by sortofageek:

Just a heads up ... it may be getting close to closing time if anyone wants a last round or to say good night before heading home. :)
Nooooooooooooooo...Wait..doesnt this forum go into the "Old Forums" section? We can continue in there can't we? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514512 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:32:53 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514493 --
Join Team Helix * I am praying for these friends .]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514493 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 21:29:12 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514187 So, anyone need a beer? :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18514187 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 20:24:23 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18511428 Gawd! How I'm going to miss everyone here. :(
Thank you to all those members - Techs and others - for all the help you've provided. I do appreciate all the help.
RR Forum is ok, but it's not this one *wipes tears from eyes*
My best wishes to all...see you all on the different Forums here. *reaches for more tissues*
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Lonnie]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18511428 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:09:19 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510640
Hob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510640 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:43:19 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510596

»www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRY_C7a36mw


And then there is this one too.

»www.artkitchen.com/Flash/BoobsAL···ALot.swf

there, I think that about covers it. :D
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No animals were harmed in the transmission of this post, but the pitbull living next door is living on borrowed time i tell you!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510596 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:34:33 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510154 said by hobgoblin:

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Hob
What he said. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510154 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:15:28 EDT Re: And now the end is near and so we face the final curtain http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510026
Hob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/Re-And-now-the-end-is-near-and-so-we-face-the-final-curtain-18510026 Fri, 15 Jun 2007 05:58:53 EDT