Rob
In Deo speramus
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Kendall, FL
 ·Comcast
 ·AT&T Southeast
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June 7th, @09:16AM
| So what do the customers get?
Verizon makes money and Goodmail makes money. What does the customer get? Spam?
Unless I am not entirely understanding this concept, it sounds like spammers (that's what they are, regardless of what title you give them) pay Verizon and Goodmail a fee to bypass Verizon's spamfilters and deliver their spam to the customers.
I'm afraid that customers won't see a discount on their bills either.
Great. So now not only do they have to put up with spam, but their own ISP makes money off of it too. Let's hold hands and sing Kum Ba Yah, the spammers have won. |
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fireflier
Coffee. . .Need Coffee
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join:2001-05-25
Limbo
·RoadRunner Cable
| So will the ISPs then include a function to allow the consumer to automatically reject/filter all of that blue ribbon crap or will this be the cyber equivalent of ramming ads down our throats with no option to avoid it?
If they implemented this feature with an option to not pass goodmail approved email to the account then I suppose I wouldn't really care but my guess is there will be no such option--or they'll charge more for it.
What a clusterf**k!
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by fireflier  :So will the ISPs then include a function to allow the consumer to automatically reject/filter all of that blue ribbon crap or will this be the cyber equivalent of ramming ads down our throats with no option to avoid it? I'd like to see a sample set of headers. Presumably, they will include some kind of unique "mark" to allow the Verizon spamfilters to give them a pass. If the headers include such a "mark", Pegasus Mail, Mercury/32, and any other mail agent which can filter on any header line will be able to deal with those messages easily. |
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jester121
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Mebbe so, but it's also trivially easy for the filtering system to strip the header when it deposits the message into your mailbox (after the scanning is done, but before you see it). |
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clecssuck
join:2002-01-23
Birmingham, AL | reply to Rob
Hey they could offer thier customers a "service" for just $2 a month that blocks all the junk. Then they're getting money on both ends! |
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Rob
In Deo speramus
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join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to NormanS
said by NormanS :said by fireflier :So will the ISPs then include a function to allow the consumer to automatically reject/filter all of that blue ribbon crap or will this be the cyber equivalent of ramming ads down our throats with no option to avoid it? I'd like to see a sample set of headers. Presumably, they will include some kind of unique "mark" to allow the Verizon spamfilters to give them a pass. If the headers include such a "mark", Pegasus Mail, Mercury/32, and any other mail agent which can filter on any header line will be able to deal with those messages easily. If that's the case, then spammers can just add that "mark" to their own headers, hence bypassing the filters! 
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Kxpuc
join:2004-05-04
Houston, TX | reply to Rob
good thing i never use my ISP mail system. I think i've checked my RR mail 3 times in 2 years |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to jester121
said by jester121 :Mebbe so, but it's also trivially easy for the filtering system to strip the header when it deposits the message into your mailbox (after the scanning is done, but before you see it). said by Rob :If that's the case, then spammers can just add that "mark" to their own headers, hence bypassing the filters! I can certainly distinguish the spam from the paid ads in Juno Mail. They are eminently filterable in mail clients. Alas, I would have to pay for POP3 access to Juno Mail.
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
Albany, NY
| reply to clecssuck
Then turn around and offer a Super-Premium Certified Spammer program to get past the block if the "legit spammers" pay Verizon more. Then a Super-Premium block for those customers who are willing to pay more not to see Super-Premium messages. Then....
Well, you get the idea.  |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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Alexandria, VA
·Cox HSI
·Speakeasy
| reply to jester121
said by jester121 :Mebbe so, but it's also trivially easy for the filtering system to strip the header when it deposits the message into your mailbox (after the scanning is done, but before you see it). Maybe, but...
Said by article:
An incoming e-mail with a blue-ribbon envelope icon tells the customer that the sender has been accredited and that the message is from a trustworthy source. Something in the message has to produce that "blue-ribbon envelope icon". If that something ain't there, the MUA won't render it. So, all you have to do is set your rules up to auto-nuke any messages with that something in it.
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Jason Levine
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Albany, NY
| reply to Rob
said by Rob :]If that's the case, then spammers can just add that "mark" to their own headers, hence bypassing the filters! Not necessarily. It could be based on a white-list of "legit spammer" IP addresses. (e.g. 123.45.67.89 is ok to let through, but 23.45.6.78 isn't.) There really doesn't need to be anything else to it as far as outside spammers are concerned. Whether or not there is an internal "blue icon" flag is a different story. And any spammer that tries to set a "blue icon" flag from the outside could just be filtered out by Verizon as trying to muck with the system. |
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