Mele20
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join:2001-06-05
Hilo, HI
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Re: [TWC] TW Officially Announces Packet Shaping for All RR User
Hmmm...so it is not just Hawaii seeing a disappearance of ATDN. I wonder what is going on...
I do believe ATDN is dead or almost so. Site has a copywrite date of 2003. The Server certificate is outdated as June 28, 2007. One page on the site has a more recent date of Feb 2006. Looking at the map there, there are (were) FOUR connections from Hawaii to two locations in Los Angeles, one in San Jose and one in Sunnyvale. No wonder that I had perfect speed to everywhere on the Mainland from summer 2003-Jan 2005 (with a few trouble times that fixed). My speed then, when the cap was 3000kbps was 3100-3200 even on nac.net speed test.
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ututman4
@rr.com | reply to Dampier
Re: [TWC] TW Officially Announces Packet Shaping for All RR User
Will this explain the internet cutting off every 10 minutes? Often times websites won't load and AIM cuts off. Could this explain it all? Plus, online gaming is sucking it up. |
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hobgoblin
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join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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| said by ututman4 :
Will this explain the internet cutting off every 10 minutes? Often times websites won't load and AIM cuts off. Could this explain it all? Plus, online gaming is sucking it up.
No its nothing to do with it.
Hob
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ututman4
@rr.com | reply to Dampier
So the whole thing will just end up slowing down our internet to a speed much less than we pay for? |
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hobgoblin
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join:2001-11-25
Orchard Park, NY
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| said by ututman4 :
So the whole thing will just end up slowing down our internet to a speed much less than we pay for?
No...Read the thread.
Hob
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ututman4
@rr.com | reply to Dampier
I read the first three pages, and that's what I got out of it. There's not way I'm reading all 28 pages. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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 ·AT&T U-Verse
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·Time Warner VOIP
 ·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | If traffic shaping is implemented at all, and if it's implemented properly, it's supposed to only affect certain types of "chronically high consumption" services like usenet and torrents during high traffic periods. In theory, it would protect other types of traffic (web, gaming, etc) from slowing down due to the former types of activities when their network is peaked out.
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Tom_S
join:2007-11-24
Malone, NY
| reply to Dampier
Re: [TWC] TW Officially Announces Packet Shaping for All RR User
For several months I have been a customer of Time Warner Cable. I had a standard RR account. Around the middle of June this year, I began having problems using Bit Comet. I would start downloading several torrents, and when coming back to check on them, would notice both the DL and UL rates had degenerated to 0. Also, when I tried to access any other other Internet facet (Http/Instant Messengers/etc) it appeared as though I had no connection, although the on-line light was still on. I originally thought it was because I had recently upgraded my version of Bit Comet, but it was also happening, if not nearly so often, to my roommate. Unfortunately, I had no knowledge of any sort of traffic maintenance technology. I could still get max DL/UL speed for several hours at a time, so I just considered it a minor inconvenience and dealt with it. Earlier this month, I moved to another location, and had RR installed there. Several days of the same, then suddenly, I was getting disconnected in a matter of minutes. I downloaded Azureus, thinking maybe it was just a problem with Bit Comet. For about a day, it seemed to work. Then I came home after staying at a friend's house one night, and again, my internet was still connected, I could access nothing. I reset my modem, and the torrents started downloading again, but went down to 0K/s in a matter of minutes. It was at this time that I started looking for answers on help forums. I soon found out about traffic shaping, and used all the prescribed fixes to try and bypass it (encryption,port forwarding,etc), and notice little improvement. I happened upon an obscure page on the TW website showing that there was a 30 day satisfaction guarantee. Finally, I called TW and cancelled my account.
I returned the equipment immediately and requested a refund as I was within the 30 day period. The desk secretary said she would have to leave a memo for her supervisor, as she did not know as to whether or not I was entitled to a refund. I went home, called tech support, and explained my situation. Amazingly, the technician knew what I was talking about, and told me that "virtually every ISP now uses traffic shaping.' After trying to con me into upgrading to the Turbo account, he realised I was not changing my mind, and informed me that I would be receiving a check in the mail for a full refund. That was yesterday, so it may be a while before I receive it.
My friend, who also has RR, was not as badly affected as me. Though she still suffers low speeds, her connection is not completely frozen like mine. This might be attributable to the fact that she has a different modem than me.
So to all the skeptics. Time Warner IS and HAS BEEN using traffic shaping. Some people may not be affected as strongly, or, at all by it, if they are lucky, but if you get a knowledgeable enough technician, they will tell you it is FACT, not speculation. |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
| said by Tom_S  :For several months I have been a customer of Time Warner Cable. I had a standard RR account. Around the middle of June this year, I began having problems using Bit Comet. Problem found. At this point the post should end. |
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GTaylor
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join:2002-12-14
Frisco, TX
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My only other option here is AT&T and they're just as bad, but at the pace RR is going they're looking better every day. |
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Stem Bolt
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join:2002-11-08
Cleveland, OH
2 edits | reply to Dampier
I posted this info over in the filesharing forum but looks like it could be of use here. For those who are considering looking for an alternative to bittorrents or new usenet providers. The providers offer unlimited accounts, have at least 100 days retention, and charge less then $15. Several offer free SSL.
»www.megabitz.net/
110 days retention, free SSL, $13.95 a month- unlimited, 8 connections with quarterly plan, 5 connections on the month to month plan.
»www.newsrazor.net/
100+ days retention, $10.95 for the first 3 months - then $14.95 there after, 10 connections
»www.blocknews.net/
100+ days retention, free SSL, $14.89 a month- unlimited, 12 connections
»eweka.nl/en/home//
Located in The Netherlands.
120 days retention, 7.50 Euro a month- which converts to $11.12 U.S.- unlimited, 8 connections,
»www.hitnews.eu/english/
Also located in The Netherlands.
100 days retention, free SSL, 6.50 Euro a month- which converts to $9.65 U.S. - unlimited, 8 connections |
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Selenia
join:2006-09-22
Pittsfield, MA
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said by Xizer :said by Tom_S :For several months I have been a customer of Time Warner Cable. I had a standard RR account. Around the middle of June this year, I began having problems using Bit Comet. Problem found. At this point the post should end. lol well Bitcomet is not the problem in respect to this, though that client is a problem for the sharing community at large. Neither is TWC. I have experienced TWC shaping and while it really sucks, it does not cut your connection. It's likely one of a few things. A) Your modem cannot handle lots of connections gracefully and lags or crashes. B) Your router cannot gracefully handle lots of connection, then lags or crashes. C) You have the max half open and/or max connections set way too high for your client and either the hardware can't handle it or you're getting snubbed for spreading your upload too thin. The solution to those 3 is turning down your max connections and max half-open in the client. It could also be D) You run Service Pack 2 and have not patched tcp.sys to handle the half open connections, causing Windows not to allow any new connections. As old ones die and are not detected right away, you may have no room for useful connections, D) Part 2 is you run Vista and have the client's max set too high.
Anyways, the Windows network stack sucks and so do alot of cheap modems and routers. If you want to be hardcore, use a Linux box, buy a good modem, and use an old pc running smoothwall through a hub as your router(you can even build a little underclocked box that uses little power and needs no fans). Otherwise, just chill on the number of connections you make. They are useless beyond a certain number anyways, |
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SB7785
join:2007-08-15
South Richmond Hill, NY | Selenia, I use Utorrent. What are some suggested settings for max half open connections etc? |
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Xizer
join:2004-02-05
New York, NY
| You people also seem to be forgetting about Cox and Comcast.
Both of these ISPs employ Sandvine, and I have personally experienced problems trying to download from a torrent with solely Comcast and Cox users seeding. I could usually download for about 15 seconds and then the connection would drop. I had to keep stopping and starting the torrent to inch my way along to completion.
This might not even be a problem on Time Warner's end, it could be a problem like I have described. |
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OB Kenobi
join:2005-05-29
Brooklyn, NY | reply to ututman4
said by ututman4 :
Will this explain the internet cutting off every 10 minutes? No, that is just standard TWC service. |
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xNBKxZ3r0
join:2007-09-08
Phoenix, AZ
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·Time Warner Cable
| reply to Xizer
I was a former Cox customer in Las Vegas before I moved to Moreno Valley, CA. Not once did I ever experience any issues with my connection. I would have to say that Cox had the most stable connection in Vegas than anyone else. I did use utorrent and never had problems with my downloads. But with TWC I've had nothing but problems from install date till present. |
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