yogibear227
@spcsdns.net
| Uverse is FTTN not FTTP
Uverse by ATT is Fiber to the Node not Fiber to the Premise. The Fiber is way back by the switch that goes to your neighborhood of 500 or so homes. The rest is on 90 yr old Copper telephone lines.
The reason they can deliver ONLY 6Mbs is because the system of FTTN is limited to 25Mps BANDWIDTH. So if they give HDTV(compressed) 12.5 MB of Bandwidth and they give the voice or tivo package (telephones) bandwidth. That only leaves 6Mps for Internet /IP for your computer.
You are another ATT customer who has been suckered for the FTTN approach. Thinking that FTTH delivers the same as FTTH. It doesn't. This is the 'cheap' approach ATT/SBC wants you to accept for now. They don't want to deliver because it means spending big money like Verizon is doing.
Meanwhile they must devote bandwidth to get HDTV to you, the also must deliver more bandwidth to allow you to TIVO in HDTV mode.
»www.isp-planet.com/cplanet/tech/···607.html
Companies like ATT that deliver only 6Mps Bandwidth will be shot down by the Competition... so reports Dave Burnstein of Dsl Prime ( So if you don't believe me, believe Dave B. and his June 7,2007 article)
The Cable company Digital Cable is actual Coax Fiber & Copper and it is thicker than twisted pair phone line.
Suggest you brush up on technology and its limitations before adding Uverse. |
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ericl
@sbcglobal.net
| who cares? I just got uverse, but it works great and destroys my comcast, now Time Warner HD cable/cable Internet package in price. $101 a month (plus fees and taxes) is now $74. The Internet is plenty fast - saving $30 per month and still having high speed Internet, and more channels, and neat functions like Picture in Picture channel browsing, a multi-tuner DVR (since it's not really tuning), etc... I'll put up with 1Mbps average instead of 2Mbps. |
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Yogibear227
@spcsdns.net
| You will care when you can't Tivo a show cause your watching HDTV and you don't have enough bandwidth cause your kids are gaming. Or when your wife wants to watch one HDTV program and you want to watch another. Or when your children want to game on the net and you want to do your work for the next day; you won't mind if they take your bandwidth & knock you off.
FTTP has the capacity now & into the forseeable Broadband future...one need not compromise
Your $74 is an introductary rate only for 3 months. What is the rate after 3 months Same as Comcast...Your Prices subject to change + a termination fee applies + installation,+ fee for wireless networking + More fees and taxes.
»https://uverse1.att.com/OmsNavigateMenuAction.do
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
 ·AT&T U-Verse
1 edit | Yogi-
I don't have U-Verse and I don't have FTTN. I have FTTP service. Would you like to see the pictures of the ONT on the side of my to prove it?
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»FTTP in D/FW TX??
My point, which you completly lost, was that even though I have FTTP and I should have all of the capacity from now until the forseeable future, it's actually capped at 6MB and runs over the same ATM backbone that DSL does so I only get 5mb.
And that's on a good day, which tonight is not.
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koolkid1563
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4 edits | reply to Yogibear227
said by Yogibear227 :
You will care when you can't Tivo a show cause your watching HDTV and you don't have enough bandwidth cause your kids are gaming. Or when your wife wants to watch one HDTV program and you want to watch another. Or when your children want to game on the net and you want to do your work for the next day; you won't mind if they take your bandwidth & knock you off.
You make a valid point, but some of this need not apply to U-verse. The RG has dedicated throughput set aside for IPTV. Gaming, or surfing the internet will not affect how many TVs can be on, or take up a TV stream. Now, as far as the two HD streams, that is a valid point, and is true with U-verse as it is today. The gaming + work issue? I have had two halo2 games (not in the same game) on Xbox Live running at the same time, and yet, our internet didn't slow down to the point where it was unusable, infact, I didn't notice any slowdown at all (in general web usage). BTW, I was also watching TV on a HD channel, and our TV downstairs was watching a SD channel...all at the same time. It has been reported, that the HD streams are running at ~8Mb/s, with SD streams ~3-4Mb/s. I would learn about how the U-verse system actually works before you put the service down. Sure it is only FTTN, but it works...for now. If AT&T wanted to, their Alcatel FTTN DSLAMs can be switched out for FTTP if the future so requires it, and it most likely will.
said by Yogibear227 :
The reason they can deliver ONLY 6Mbs is because the system of FTTN is limited to 25Mps BANDWIDTH. Do you even know what you are talking about? Get your facts before making assumptions. The VDSL sync is CAPPED at 27Mb/s, that is NOT its maximum by any means. My RG is reporting a max sync rate of 105Mb/s...and it can only go up when they upgrade to a true VDSL2 profile. Right now, they are on a "hybrid" profile so to speak that is in-between VDSL and VDSL2.
said by Yogibear227 :
the also must deliver more bandwidth to allow you to TIVO in HDTV mode. Since when does recording a TV show ever take up more bandwidth than actually watching it? That is just not true, a stream is a stream.
said by Yogibear227 :
The Cable company Digital Cable is actual Coax Fiber & Copper and it is thicker than twisted pair phone line. I didn't see my cable modem report that it could give me 105Mb/s over the cable network...And, if you actually look at the cable that comes into your NID from your pedestal, you will see that the copper core is about the same gauge, maybe slightly smaller, than the copper core of a RG-6 coaxial cable.
said by Yogibear227 :
Your $74 is an introductary rate only for 3 months. What is the rate after 3 months Same as Comcast Again, learn your facts before posting. The "introductory rate" is free TV for two months, then it goes to whatever your package states, in his case, $74 a month. The only thing you pay for for the first two months is internet. I am on the U-400 + HD + elite internet, and it is only $140 a month plus something like $11 in government fees.One other thing you got wrong, there are no fees for wireless networking...it is all integrated in the RG...I don't know where you got that from. If you read the TOS correctly, it says "Separate purchase of adapter may be required for wireless networking." This is for the wireless ADAPTER for your computer if you don't already have one, not for wireless service on the RG...There is a one-time fee for installation of $50, but they give you a $50 Visa® Rewards Card to compensate for the installation cost, so it is actually free. And don't say wait until you are off the introductory rate...because I currently am off of it. During my "introductory" period of two months, I was only paying $30 a month ($40 minus $10 TV+internet bundle discount). |
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koolkid1563
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4 edits | reply to Enlightener
Why not post a review for AT&T FTTP?
What I don't understand is why you didn't make a review for AT&T FTTP instead of U-verse...Since technically, you don't have U-verse just yet, or at least that is what I understood.
BTW, I just checked, and they do have AT&T FTTP listed as an ISP to review, and the only person to review it so far is MarkyD. |
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Enlightener
join:2006-01-28
Cedar Park, TX
·AT&T U-Verse
1 edit | reply to yogibear227
Re: Uverse is FTTN not FTTP
I say repeatedly in my review that it's FTTP, you just have to actually read. I don't recall an option or see one to try to `move` it to an FTTP section.
I used this page to enter the review:
»/dorateform/fiber
I don't see anything on there about U-Verse and I don't know how it got catagorized as U-Verse. FTTP isn't U-Verse because 1) Video isn't available 2) Voice is required and 3) DL is 5Mb not 6MB because of ATM overhead. |
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koolkid1563
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3 edits | »/dorateform and run a search for AT&T FTTP. If you run a search for U-verse, it shows up too. Or you can go here: »/docontrib/ISP/2956. I don't know about the "move" part, but AT&T FTTP is there, and since AT&T FTTP and AT&T U-verse are currently two different products, I don't see how your bad review of FTTP should bring down the overall rating of U-verse. I would ask a mod if you can get this moved over to AT&T FTTP. |
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rshimizu12
join:2007-02-04 | reply to yogibear227
It's really disappointing that U-verse internet service does not have more bandwidth. Perhaps they will deploy FTTP or fixed point Wimax. |
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