bamabrad
join:2006-01-27
Port Orange, FL | Solution?-
It's called 'Subcontractors' |
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odreian615
join:2006-01-18
Chicago, IL | I'll do you one better Illegals no just joking but I do agree with you on the subcontractors if the Union guys are holding back progress |
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Jodokast96
R.I.P Bassman442
Premium
join:2005-11-23
Erial, NJ | And wasn't it mostly sub-contractors screwing things up in the beginning, like cut utilities, property damage, etc.? |
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vz fiostech 21
@myvzw.com
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June 13th, @01:24PM
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This "news" article is full of crap, normal for Karl's telco bashing style. First of I am in California and last time I checked we are union employee's, so I don't know where that comment about west coast's higher productivity is due to non-union comes from is pure BS.
There are many reasons why numbers come out the way they do. In reading some of the reviews I noticed that the techs that work in the east coast are having to place their own service drops. In our area, we don't place the service drops to customers homes, they are pre-installed before we get there or we call out a contractor to climb the poles for us while we concentrate on the inside work.
Second, I also read that they fish walls and do all this extra crap, guess what it doesn't happen over here. Want your walls fished, hire someone before we get there or do it yourself. Since the east coast guys do fish walls it obviously takes a lot longer to do a job.
The other factors that go in, every house is different, a lot of the new construction already has a smart panel built in by builder, so I can come in and be done with a triple-play in 1 hour 30 min.
The biggest factor that would be skewing those number would be that when I finish that job in 3 hours and I go help out one of my fellow co-workers I have to do it by applying those hours to the job I just did, so while I may have been done in 3 hours the paperwork will show that job being done in 5-7 hours. The copper side had help tickets to cover your time on tech assistance but on fiber you just have to absorb your time on whatever job you happen to be on. That is what messes up your so-called productivity.
For those of you that call for contractors, go ahead, because the way the system works, I get one job completion credit whether it is a repair or install and I would rather spend my time on repair than installations. I have gone out on repair issues from subcontractors, in and out in 30 minutes or less, love it, simple problems to fix. Why you ask, because some of the sub-contractors previous employment was landscaping which is how then ended up laying wire.  |
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mglunt
join:2001-09-10
Fredericksburg, VA |
My drop was pre-installed before the tech got there.
I had 1 TV and 1 PC hooked to the service. I think it took the guy less than 3 hours... maybe even less than 2. I was quite surprised. |
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cdru
Go Colts
Premium,MVM
join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to Jodokast96
said by Jodokast96  :And wasn't it mostly sub-contractors screwing things up in the beginning, like cut utilities, property damage, etc.? Yes, but it's unfair to point the finger directly at them. Contactors did all the ground work. If they did a perfect job would you hear about how great using subs is? Also, while I'm sure subs do make mistakes, in a lot of cases the problem was that utilities were either marked incorrectly, or not at all.
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aaron8301
I can't get myself to go away.
join:2005-01-03
Clarkston, WA
 ·CableOne
| reply to vz fiostech 21
Re: Solution?-
said by vz fiostech 21 :
This "news" article is full of crap, normal for Karl's telco bashing style. First of I am in California and last time I checked we are union employee's, so I don't know where that comment about west coast's higher productivity is due to non-union comes from is pure BS.
Light Reading speaks to an anonymous Verizon insider who says...
Karl doesn't make this stuff up just to bash telcos, he simply finds the story online just like every other story on DSLR.
A more important question is, if you are so familiar with Karl's telco-bashing style, how come you are unregistered?
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Technically I think it would be "union bashing," since it's the telco itself making the claims. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
 ·DSL EXTREME
·DSL EXTREME
| reply to vz fiostech 21
I think also, that the east coast also has a lot of older homes areas, which may take longer to work on. Many areas in the west coast aren't older than 30-50 years. When you hit older communities, I suspect wiring or rewiring will take some effort.
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aaron8301
I can't get myself to go away.
join:2005-01-03
Clarkston, WA | reply to Karl Bode
Good point. You're such a basher, Karl! |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | Thank you!  |
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to vz fiostech 21
Screw Unions, lazy babies. |
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Ztp1112
join:2005-03-18
Springfield, VA
| reply to bamabrad
this is all bull, the east coast has older homes not prewire like the west for catv data.
I dont know who the insider is but being a fios tech here in the east coast I can tell you on a average we complete 3 jobs per day
maybe this has something to do with our contract that will be up in 2008, |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
| reply to vz fiostech 21
said by vz fiostech 21 :This "news" article is full of crap, normal for Karl's telco bashing style. First of I am in California and last time I checked we are union employee's, so I don't know where that comment about west coast's higher productivity is due to non-union comes from is pure BS. There are many reasons why numbers come out the way they do. In reading some of the reviews I noticed that the techs that work in the east coast are having to place their own service drops. In our area, we don't place the service drops to customers homes, they are pre-installed before we get there or we call out a contractor to climb the poles for us while we concentrate on the inside work. Second, I also read that they fish walls and do all this extra crap, guess what it doesn't happen over here. Want your walls fished, hire someone before we get there or do it yourself. Since the east coast guys do fish walls it obviously takes a lot longer to do a job. The other factors that go in, every house is different, a lot of the new construction already has a smart panel built in by builder, so I can come in and be done with a triple-play in 1 hour 30 min. The biggest factor that would be skewing those number would be that when I finish that job in 3 hours and I go help out one of my fellow co-workers I have to do it by applying those hours to the job I just did, so while I may have been done in 3 hours the paperwork will show that job being done in 5-7 hours. The copper side had help tickets to cover your time on tech assistance but on fiber you just have to absorb your time on whatever job you happen to be on. That is what messes up your so-called productivity. For those of you that call for contractors, go ahead, because the way the system works, I get one job completion credit whether it is a repair or install and I would rather spend my time on repair than installations. I have gone out on repair issues from subcontractors, in and out in 30 minutes or less, love it, simple problems to fix. Why you ask, because some of the sub-contractors previous employment was landscaping which is how then ended up laying wire. Pay the fuck attention, The report claims the installers in the western U.S. are non-union (something our commenters say isn't true), and the installers in the east are unionized and "dragging their feet" because they "don't want FiOS to succeed." Karl didn't claim that, the report did, some of you people need to learn how to read  |
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
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said by Karl Bode :Thank you! Keep on bashin brother!    |
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Haquai
join:2005-02-24
Ronkonkoma, NY | reply to JamesPC
Hey James, you have no idea. So relax alright tough guy. |
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Haquai
join:2005-02-24
Ronkonkoma, NY | reply to Ztp1112
You mean a voice data and video right> all at ten same location? |
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tater_gunz
Shoot to kill
Premium
join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
·buckeye cable
| reply to Cheese
said by Cheese :Pay the fuck attention, The report claims the installers in the western U.S. are non-union (something our commenters say isn't true), and the installers in the east are unionized and "dragging their feet" because they "don't want FiOS to succeed." Karl didn't claim that, the report did, some of you people need to learn how to read You may be wasting your time, Cheese. Union workers generally have union jobs for a reason...
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Cheese
Premium
join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
clubs:
| said by tater_gunz :said by Cheese :Pay the fuck attention, The report claims the installers in the western U.S. are non-union (something our commenters say isn't true), and the installers in the east are unionized and "dragging their feet" because they "don't want FiOS to succeed." Karl didn't claim that, the report did, some of you people need to learn how to read You may be wasting your time, Cheese. Union workers generally have union jobs for a reason... - Tate |
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