vz fiostech 21
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June 13th, @01:24PM
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Re: Solution?-
This "news" article is full of crap, normal for Karl's telco bashing style. First of I am in California and last time I checked we are union employee's, so I don't know where that comment about west coast's higher productivity is due to non-union comes from is pure BS.
There are many reasons why numbers come out the way they do. In reading some of the reviews I noticed that the techs that work in the east coast are having to place their own service drops. In our area, we don't place the service drops to customers homes, they are pre-installed before we get there or we call out a contractor to climb the poles for us while we concentrate on the inside work.
Second, I also read that they fish walls and do all this extra crap, guess what it doesn't happen over here. Want your walls fished, hire someone before we get there or do it yourself. Since the east coast guys do fish walls it obviously takes a lot longer to do a job.
The other factors that go in, every house is different, a lot of the new construction already has a smart panel built in by builder, so I can come in and be done with a triple-play in 1 hour 30 min.
The biggest factor that would be skewing those number would be that when I finish that job in 3 hours and I go help out one of my fellow co-workers I have to do it by applying those hours to the job I just did, so while I may have been done in 3 hours the paperwork will show that job being done in 5-7 hours. The copper side had help tickets to cover your time on tech assistance but on fiber you just have to absorb your time on whatever job you happen to be on. That is what messes up your so-called productivity.
For those of you that call for contractors, go ahead, because the way the system works, I get one job completion credit whether it is a repair or install and I would rather spend my time on repair than installations. I have gone out on repair issues from subcontractors, in and out in 30 minutes or less, love it, simple problems to fix. Why you ask, because some of the sub-contractors previous employment was landscaping which is how then ended up laying wire.  |
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mglunt
join:2001-09-10
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My drop was pre-installed before the tech got there.
I had 1 TV and 1 PC hooked to the service. I think it took the guy less than 3 hours... maybe even less than 2. I was quite surprised. |
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PolarBear
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Re: Solution?-
said by vz fiostech 21 :
This "news" article is full of crap, normal for Karl's telco bashing style. First of I am in California and last time I checked we are union employee's, so I don't know where that comment about west coast's higher productivity is due to non-union comes from is pure BS.
Light Reading speaks to an anonymous Verizon insider who says...
Karl doesn't make this stuff up just to bash telcos, he simply finds the story online just like every other story on DSLR.
A more important question is, if you are so familiar with Karl's telco-bashing style, how come you are unregistered?
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02 | Technically I think it would be "union bashing," since it's the telco itself making the claims. |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| reply to vz fiostech 21
I think also, that the east coast also has a lot of older homes areas, which may take longer to work on. Many areas in the west coast aren't older than 30-50 years. When you hit older communities, I suspect wiring or rewiring will take some effort.
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
join:2005-01-03
Riverside, WA | reply to Karl Bode
Good point. You're such a basher, Karl! |
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Karl Bode
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JamesPC
join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA | reply to vz fiostech 21
Screw Unions, lazy babies. |
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Cheese
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join:2003-10-26
Naples, FL
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| reply to vz fiostech 21
said by vz fiostech 21 :This "news" article is full of crap, normal for Karl's telco bashing style. First of I am in California and last time I checked we are union employee's, so I don't know where that comment about west coast's higher productivity is due to non-union comes from is pure BS. There are many reasons why numbers come out the way they do. In reading some of the reviews I noticed that the techs that work in the east coast are having to place their own service drops. In our area, we don't place the service drops to customers homes, they are pre-installed before we get there or we call out a contractor to climb the poles for us while we concentrate on the inside work. Second, I also read that they fish walls and do all this extra crap, guess what it doesn't happen over here. Want your walls fished, hire someone before we get there or do it yourself. Since the east coast guys do fish walls it obviously takes a lot longer to do a job. The other factors that go in, every house is different, a lot of the new construction already has a smart panel built in by builder, so I can come in and be done with a triple-play in 1 hour 30 min. The biggest factor that would be skewing those number would be that when I finish that job in 3 hours and I go help out one of my fellow co-workers I have to do it by applying those hours to the job I just did, so while I may have been done in 3 hours the paperwork will show that job being done in 5-7 hours. The copper side had help tickets to cover your time on tech assistance but on fiber you just have to absorb your time on whatever job you happen to be on. That is what messes up your so-called productivity. For those of you that call for contractors, go ahead, because the way the system works, I get one job completion credit whether it is a repair or install and I would rather spend my time on repair than installations. I have gone out on repair issues from subcontractors, in and out in 30 minutes or less, love it, simple problems to fix. Why you ask, because some of the sub-contractors previous employment was landscaping which is how then ended up laying wire. Pay the fuck attention, The report claims the installers in the western U.S. are non-union (something our commenters say isn't true), and the installers in the east are unionized and "dragging their feet" because they "don't want FiOS to succeed." Karl didn't claim that, the report did, some of you people need to learn how to read  |
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Cheese
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said by Karl Bode  :Thank you! Keep on bashin brother!    |
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Haquai
join:2005-02-24
Ronkonkoma, NY | reply to JamesPC
Hey James, you have no idea. So relax alright tough guy. |
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tater_gunz
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said by Cheese :Pay the fuck attention, The report claims the installers in the western U.S. are non-union (something our commenters say isn't true), and the installers in the east are unionized and "dragging their feet" because they "don't want FiOS to succeed." Karl didn't claim that, the report did, some of you people need to learn how to read You may be wasting your time, Cheese. Union workers generally have union jobs for a reason...
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Cheese
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| said by tater_gunz :said by Cheese :Pay the fuck attention, The report claims the installers in the western U.S. are non-union (something our commenters say isn't true), and the installers in the east are unionized and "dragging their feet" because they "don't want FiOS to succeed." Karl didn't claim that, the report did, some of you people need to learn how to read You may be wasting your time, Cheese. Union workers generally have union jobs for a reason... - Tate |
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Tech_Guy
join:2007-06-13
Ontario, CA | reply to tater_gunz
Re: Solution?-
Yeah, because we were smart enough to pass interviews and testing."This does not apply to public employee unions" douche bags |
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tater_gunz
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
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| said by Tech_Guy :Yeah, because we were smart enough to pass interviews and testing."This does not apply to public employee unions" douche bags Are you joking? What did your test and interview consist of? Part one -- show up. Part two -- color the horsey brown (stay inside the lines!). Shouldn't you be standing in front of your place of employment with a sign that demands more pay and benefits that you probably don't deserve?
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cymbolkid
join:2005-01-09
Allentown, PA
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June 14th, @09:17PM
| Your statement shows how ignorant you are.
My interview consisted of going in front of a commitee of 8 union members, and them asking me questions.
Out of a pool of 150 members only 50 were accepted for the year i was taken in. Then we have to go through a 5 year apprectice in which consists of school 2 nights a week 3 hours each night for 9 months out of the year.
I also have to maintain a 85 average if i dont they kick you out. ALso if i fail a test guess what im out.
That seems like a pretty hard process doesnt it buddy.
Let me guess buddy you work 8-5 in a office right??
Guess what the union gave you that. They gave you the weekend. The gave you some many things that if the union never fought for you wouldnt have....
So considering i go through alot more training than my non union conterparts I DO DESERVE MY PAY AND BETTER BENIFITS!!! |
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tater_gunz
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join:2003-08-22
Toledo, OH
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| said by cymbolkid :So considering i go through alot more training than my non union conterparts I DO DESERVE MY PAY AND MORE BENIFITS!!! I could point out the fact that you obviously weren't given any type of grammar exam during your rigorous testing, but that would be petty. Instead I'll say "congratulations" for apparently being more worthy of your job than many of the other union folks I've encountered.
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supertech315
join:2006-03-01
Perris, CA | reply to tater_gunz
Dude when i took the test 12 of us passed out of 80, so get the idea........ |
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