ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana
 ·AT&T Southwest
 ·Charter Pipeline
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Re: Good bye AT&T
said by NewMariner  :How are they in decline? They are the leading broadband provider in the US. "leading"??? -- in what way? -- subscriptions?. They also have the lowest maximum speeds of any other major terrestrial broadband provider (i.e. cable). Technology-wise they're in decline. DOCSIS 3 will finish'm off
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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·Embarq
| said by ronpin :said by NewMariner :How are they in decline? They are the leading broadband provider in the US. "leading"??? -- in what way? -- subscriptions?. They also have the lowest maximum speeds of any other major terrestrial broadband provider (i.e. cable). Technology-wise they're in decline. DOCSIS 3 will finish'm off AT&T offers higher speeds than Embarq. At Embarq 5.0M is the highest speed tier available. When I first signed up with them (when it was Sprint) I was paying for 512kbps what AT&T (then SBC) customers where paying for 1.5M.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | Embarq? -- is not a major broadband provider. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
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join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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·Embarq
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June 15th, @11:20AM
| Yes, but AT&T also isn't in decline.
Edit: Made image an attachment. |
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jinjimbob
Troy Mcclure
join:2001-11-13
Enumclaw, WA | reply to ronpin
They're better than Qwest, most people only have the option of 1.5Mbps.
Qwest is major, I wish AT&T would buy them. |
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bogey780
join:2004-03-19
Covington, LA | reply to ronpin
So you really believe that cable companies are going to burn down their entire structure of DOCSIS 1.1 and build DOCSIS 3.0 compliant plant in 2 years? |
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I love Comcast
@comcast.net
| reply to Maxo
Not in decline?
What do you call a company now in such a position as they have to give their service away for this kind of price?
Good God...they're now on par with NetZero.
Consumers are NOT stupid..(for the most part)...
They understand how to ADD.
And the addition looks like THIS.
Twenty dollars for a pots line that no one in their right mind wants anymore...
+
10~15.00 for this slow as molasses DSL service...
Equals, what people can get for TWENTY times and more theses kinds of speeds now on services like Comcasts.
We all know the TRUTH about how many people can't even get DSL, never mind the lowest tier which so many are forced to put up with because of the distance factors.
And, we all KNOW that when people can get 6MB DSL, it's really only 5.2 something factoring in overhead.
And, we all KNOW that when AT&T reaches that tier level, then people wind up paying the same as cable, except with many cable providers you STILL get 3 x's those speeds...
and we all KNOW that AT&T's pathetic answer to all this is Uverse, which still has them trying to rely on those old copper lines buried all over the country.
Uverses subscriber numbers so far are HORRIBLE. Is it any wonder why people now don't want their HDTV delivered to them over that rusting out copper?
What exactly do you see here that isn't "in decline"?
This company is a disaster now and unless they do something quick besides trying to buy more companies to cover up all this..they are headed to one very gigantic fall IMHO.
In case you haven't visited them yet, you'd better run over to the OOL forum..the Cox forum..the Comcast forum....and others.
These cable companies are eating AT&T's lunch, sticking a knife into this company, and watching them bleed to death.
AT&T's phone business and DSL business might very well not be around in 5 years if this keeps up!
They'd better QUICKLY do something! |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
·Embarq
| So now that you've submitted circumstantial and opinionated evidence, do you have any number or figures to support that AT&T is in decline.
I think this price offering is smart, and I've actually held the belief that ISPs should be doing this for about 4 years now.
This pricing is not intended to win over Cable users. It is intended to win over dial-up users. There are a good amount of people out there that are on dial-up and are perfectly happy. They check there e-mail a few times a week and maybe get some stock updates. Nothing major. 768kbps is more than what they need, and at $10/month there is no reason for anyone within AT&Ts reach to stay on dial-up.
Even though people can get much faster connection on Cable (and for most on DSL as well) it will cost them a premium. A premium they are not willing to pay for speeds they do not need or want.
This is only a sign that AT&T is willing to be creative in their effort to be competitive.
Can you show me something substantive to support the idea they are in decline. Dropping stocks, dropping customers, dropping profit margins? Something, anything?
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batterup
I Can Not Tell A Lie.
Premium
join:2003-02-06
Netcong, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon Online DSL
| reply to ronpin
said by ronpin :said by NewMariner :How are they in decline? They are the leading broadband provider in the US. "leading"??? -- in what way? -- subscriptions?. They also have the lowest maximum speeds of any other major terrestrial broadband provider (i.e. cable). Technology-wise they're in decline. DOCSIS 3 will finish'm off Aliens from the planet Dork will finish you off first. |
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I love Comcast
@comcast.net
| reply to Maxo
Yea, I can show you something.
How about the last few quarters earnings conference calls where they are discussing the HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of lost landline customers each quarter.
And, If you think they are suddenly offering this kind of price out of the goodness of their hearts, you'd better think again. It was a CONDITION of their bell south merger that they HAD to do this.
That's hardly at&t becoming a goodwill ambassador to the poor.
And, do you REALLY think that if they didn't HAVE to do this..or for that matter..offer their other levels of service so cheap...that they would still be doing it?
DSL, priced where it is today..is NOT cheap when you factor in
a)the speeds and
b) the phone line you must have to get it
Cable HSI is a much better value all the way around.
Even at this pricing, a person would have to pay 30.00 + just to get 768k service when you factor it all in.
How is that a better value than 42.95 for Comcast, and it's up to 15,000k and beyond speeds with powerboost?
It's not.
Let's face it. If this company really had a worthwhile product, they wouldn't have to give it away for 15.00 and less. They do it because they have to.
And that is a company in decline. And their loss of landline customers is huge. |
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC | reply to I love Comcast
ComcastRick, why you posting anonymous??? |
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RIRWIN1983
join:2005-08-30
Columbus, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
·AT&T Yahoo
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1. It was a merger condition, not a choice on at&t part to try and win subs, check your facts!
2. That cable modem has gotta suck at 5-9pm, when all the neighborhood kiddies get online with their xbox's and ps2 & ps3 's.
3. Copper dosent rust, it tarnishes/corodes AGAIN check your facts!
4.U-verse is not a pathetic answer. It might look week now, but its new, it needs to be tweeked to STOMP on cable. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
·Embarq
edit:
June 15th, @03:18PM
| reply to I love Comcast
So the only fact you have is their loss of landline customers. AT&T knows they are losing landlines. That's why they bough AT&T Wireless. Their cell phone service is a large part of their plan to diversify. As cell phones increase in popularity they are still making money.
As far as which is better Cable & DSL, I'm not going down that road. Suffice to say DSL is doing well, just like cable is. Neither are going away any time soon.
I never said they are doing anything out of the goodness of their heart. AT&T is heartless. They are doing it out of the goodness of their investors desire to profit.
Edit: Fixed grammatical error. |
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Mizzat
Will post for thumbs
Premium
join:2003-05-03
Atlanta, GA | reply to I love Comcast
Comcast costs more than $42.95 in my area, even for the more basic package, not to mention if I want to get the speed to match my 6 meg DSL. I also don't have cable, so they charge a higher fee for that. DSL+phone line would cost less. |
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dmconwa
join:2007-04-19
Phoenix, AZ
·Qwest.net
| reply to I love Comcast
Yes ,they're access line loss is huge, but they added enough DSL subs to make up for it. All the major telco players have managed to offset their line loss with DSL sales these past two quarters. AT&T still has Cingular which also gobbles up a lot of that line loss as well.
In response to your value proposition of $42.95 Comcast service. You have to realize that this is a really cheap product that is obviously to draw in dial up users who indeed still use a phone line, and have no need for that speed. Just because you play Doom online with your xBOX 360 and need that speed doesn't mean that the average person who uses the internet to check email and surf a bit needs the same connection. I think having a phone line with a lite DSL connection at that price is a great value for someone coming from dial up internet. I think $42.95 for Comcast is a great value for the person who doesn't need a land line, but needs a very high speed internet connection. It's all about the situation, and the majority of the US is more price conscious than megabyte conscious at this point.
I work for Qwest and I always pitch the highest speeds available to each and every customer, but %80 of the time the customer wants the lower tier of DSL because they don't feel like they need anything more than that and don't want to pay for more than that, and they are happy with the service. |
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patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| reply to I love Comcast
said by I love Comcast :
Not in decline?
What do you call a company now in such a position as they have to give their service away for this kind of price?
Good God...they're now on par with NetZero.
Consumers are NOT stupid..(for the most part)...
They understand how to ADD.
Soon they wont. Too many americans belive either you can do math, or you cant. Plus calculators and the general dumbing down of the population will make math voodoo. Go see Idiocracy (2006). |
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dentman42
join:2001-10-02
Columbus, OH | reply to Cod
Anyone else notice how much Rick has changed since he moved to ComCast? |
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Pashune
Your average, anemic person.
Premium
join:2006-04-14
Gautier, MS
·AT&T Southeast
·CableOne
| reply to I love Comcast
"Cable HSI is a much better value all the way around."
Not necessarily. Think about the people who are stuck with small, expensive cable companies, or no cable at all. If I were to get back with CableOne, getting basic service minimum (No digital cable; just plain plug-into-tv cable), and ordering their 1.5 mbit tier, I would be paying AT MINIMUM $85 per month. Also take note the highest speed my cable company offers is even LOWER than AT&T's: 5 mbit. My cable bill would sky-rocket over $100 if I ordered this, and last time I checked..I don't even think my cable ISP offers offers static IP. |
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dvd536
as Mr. Pink as they come
Premium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
| reply to jinjimbob
said by jinjimbob :Qwest is major, I wish AT&T would buy them. I wish verizon would buy qwest so i'd have at least a chance of getting fios.
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ctceo
Premium
join:2001-04-26
South Bend, IN
clubs:
| reply to I love Comcast
As soon as you can get me Unlimited Local Calling on a Cell Phone for $11.00/mo + $.05 - .07 per minute for Local Toll & Long distance calls Within The US Canada, and a 6MB Down/768MB Up internet connection with consistent Ping times in the 20-75ms range; Then I'd be inclined to switch from that "pots line that no one in their right mind wants anymore...".
Let me know when you find the right carrier. Oh By the way, I cannot Install a Satellite or Comcast at my residence. |
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