bobrk
You kids get offa my lawn
Premium
join:2000-02-02
San Jose, CA
2 edits | reply to DaneJasper
Re: Hosting a WiFi hotspot?
Have you tried them from a customer IP? 
I seem to be hitting service issues. Working now.
And now, not. Intermittent 503s. Definite capacity issues. |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs: | Interesting. Call it "beta". 
-Dane |
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA | reply to DaneJasper
So, when can we join in? You need a pushpin in san jose
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Djdeadly
join:2000-11-03
San Jose, CA
| reply to DaneJasper
I couldn't connect to MetroFi's system but
»www.metrofi.com/advertising_solutions.html
and speed is up to 1 mbps but its extremely slow most likely overloaded with freeloaders.
JohninSJ, bobrk, and I can create the San Jose network |
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rsempell
join:2004-12-28
Eureka, CA | im located in eureka ca very close to downtown |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| reply to JohnInSJ
We're somewhat pre-launch right now, but within some narrow parameters, additional participation is possible:
Only a single free tier is available, currently set at 1Mbps downstream at 200kbps upstream. This tier is intended to be ad supported, and that ad revenue would be split with all hosts of the network, but ad support isn't yet online. This free tier may be reduced in speed to somewhere between 500kbps and 1Mbps in future.
Two higher tiers are intended:
A 1.5Mbps tier for any Sonic.net customers, authenticated via WPA, at no additional cost. Ad supported.
A 3.0Mbps tier, also WPA, exclusively for use by those who host a gateway node on their DSL line (that's you!).
These two are not yet online either.
Hosts today must have either:
Static IP DSL service and an available switch port and IP address for assignment via DHCP. Note that we assign DHCP from the top of the block to the bottom, so if you have statically set a system on your first and second IPs, and you plug in the Meraki hardware and it asks for an IP, we'll give it the last one in your block. Careful if you mix and match hard set and DHCP!
..or a router which offers a private IP via DHCP.
With all of these things in mind, if you'd like to join the testing, the (subsidized) hardware cost is currently $40 (which we'll just place on your account), and we'll cover the shipping. Email me if you want one, dane@sonic.net, with your Sonic.net login, DSL service address, and if it's different, UPS shipping address. I'll send you a little care package.
-Dane |
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veloslave
Geek For God
Premium
join:2003-07-11
Pleasant Hill, CA
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 ·SONIC.NET
3 edits | reply to DaneJasper
Dane... I would be very interested and I have all of the requirements already...
My only catch is that in a neighborhood like mine I cannot imagine much traffic which makes paying for the start up kinda foolish economically... at least at first glance. My hood's density is "normal"?
»maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q···=16&om=1
Maybe if the start up cost were taken out of the customers ad proceeds until it gets paid for? I think the start up fee would/should be higher priced (than normal or other plans) since it was not getting paid for up front but that way someone with volume of service doubts, like me, doesn't think failure is going to be expensive.
Or maybe...........???
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| In a region like yours, if you tell a neighbor about it and they get a unit, there will be at least one user, but otherwise, you may or may not get any. We've scattered units around and found that some do get lots and lots of use, and some get a little or none.
Our model for this is to EQUALLY share any ad revenue from free users to everyone who is hosting, regardless of their particular success at their location. I'm hoping that this causes more folks to choose to deploy, as opposed to only those who think they're likely to get high usage.
As for equipment cost - we're going to subsidize it, but I don't know how deep we will end up going. The retail on the Meraki indoor is $49, and the outdoor is $99. I expect we can get a bulk/wholesale rate that's a bit lower, then we could subsidize. One way we've considered pricing this is to offer one to any DSL user at a deep discount, maybe $25, then they could buy additional units for $40 or something. this would allow you to put one on your DSL line at one end of the house, and one at the other end to improve coverage in your home. Another could go in an outbuilding (studio, apartment, etc). They're great even just for solving the upstairs/downstairs (kid's room) problem.
Obviously, we're still in a testing phase, and the business model is not yet completely figured out. We have a few ideas, but Meraki has not implemented nor yet committed to implement a few features which we believe are key to broad deployment. We'll continue to work with them toward these goals, while testing the gear in the real world at the same time.
The feedback and ideas are great, keep 'em coming!
-Dane |
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
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said by JohnInSJ  :So, when can we join in? You need a pushpin in san jose John, your gear is on it's way. Thanks for joining us so early in this program - I tossed in a little gift with your hardware as a bonus. Should all be there tomorrow via UPS.
-Dane |
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
 ·Comcast
| Oooooo Presentesesss... we likes those, they're our precious 
I'll get it set up tomorrow!
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veloslave
Geek For God
Premium
join:2003-07-11
Pleasant Hill, CA
·PHONE POWER
·SONIC.NET
2 edits | reply to DaneJasper
Well... if it is even steven profit sharing then sign me up; sure seems hard to go wrong with that! You guys have never steered me wrong so lets give er a shot.
I'm rodromo at sonic, send it out when you are ready.
I have a single story home with a high roof... I can mount an out door unit at the middle of the peak or even two on the ends if you want... maybe we better make that one for now to keep the startup lower... my "IT department" is a little broke at the moment, Realty has been a little slow, as I'm sure you have heard and the server just got some more RAM 
BTW... I have my 2003 server running DHCP instead of my DD-WRT router/WiFi. I assume that will not be a problem with keeping the LAN secure? I have the SBS server running with 4 workstations and some sensitive client information on the network.... security is an absolute must for me. That said, my IP traffic is lite... heck you already know that if you want to.
How does the AP know personal traffic from hotspot traffic? SSID? Or does personal traffic have to manually log on? I also assume that the security is available in at least WPA? I guess you can't use the Sputnik or Chillispot that comes with DD-WRT? If so we are ready to go I have the transmit power on my DD-WRT cranked up to 70 (safe & sane OC) and it covers the property adequately... nothing to brag about out on the patio with the laptop... I guess these units must push out a lot more signal than that if they are to be successful right?
I better stop there before you decide I'm "not fit" for the program 
Let me know if I can be of help
EDIT: 7:40 pm Just opened a Basic account for a good friend in Antioch; keeping the love coming your way. Do me a big favor and make sure the equipment for "FM" goes out soon... I have my Saturday scheduled to bring him a used computer and get him online AND teach him eBay.... it's going to be a long day.
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
| reply to DaneJasper
said by DaneJasper :said by JohnInSJ :So, when can we join in? You need a pushpin in san jose John, your gear is on it's way. Thanks for joining us so early in this program - I tossed in a little gift with your hardware as a bonus. Should all be there tomorrow via UPS. -Dane I'm live - first San Jose push-pin! I WIN!
»www.netequality.net/overview.php···.netWiFi
I'm using it now to post this. Tiny little thing - looks like it does 802.11b/g? Thanks for the goodies, my daughter already snagged the pen - any pen with a logo is dead meat
I'm not seeing any ads when using it, but it does seem slower then my native connection, so the bandwidth limiters are working.
What should it look like? And how do I "log in"?
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guhuna
R.I.P Mike
Premium
join:2001-03-31
Brentwood, CA | Can you post any pictures of the unit? I'd like to see what one of them looks like. |
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JohnInSJ
Premium
join:2003-09-22
San Jose, CA
·Comcast
| Its a mini
»meraki.com/products/mini/
Looks just like that one!
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DaneJasper
Sonic.Net
Premium,VIP
join:2001-08-20
Santa Rosa, CA
clubs:
| reply to JohnInSJ
The "network" of member units is configured for bandwidth limiting at 1Mbps downstream - this should help prevent anyone from freeloading all of your DSL bandwidth. In future, we may limit this further.
Ad support isn't online yet, but is "coming soon". Tiers of access that would allow other Sonic.net customers a faster service, and hosts faster yet, are also in progress. The whole thing is beta, so expect changes.
The fun part happens when you've got two or three of them near each other. If you've got a neighbor or out building you want to cover, etc.
-Dane |
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Djdeadly
join:2000-11-03
San Jose, CA | reply to DaneJasper
Our first access point is online. At the 100 Block of Paseo De San Antonio Next to San Jose State, We're setting up our outdoor unit tomorrow. |
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bobrk
You kids get offa my lawn
Premium
join:2000-02-02
San Jose, CA | 100 block? That's on the 4th street side of SJSU, right? |
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Djdeadly
join:2000-11-03
San Jose, CA
1 edit | Yup between 4th and 3rd. Its just indoor unit so you might have to sit by it. Outdoor unit will be installed tomorrow, might get better signal off that.
Don't you live by Topdog and Naglee Park Garage? Be nice to get free internet there while eatting a bird dog. |
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bobrk
You kids get offa my lawn
Premium
join:2000-02-02
San Jose, CA | Heh, I'm way over on 16th. Stumbling distance, but pretty far for WiFi. |
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Djdeadly
join:2000-11-03
San Jose, CA
| said by bobrk :Heh, I'm way over on 16th. Stumbling distance, but pretty far for WiFi. That is far haha lots of trees so can't put your mini on a huge pole. |
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