  Reg Mauler Premium join:2004-01-06 Back in ND
| [Help] 5w-20 vs 5w-30
Ok so here's the deal, we just got a new car (2007 Honda Accord SE 4 cyl) about a month ago and we are moving down to Phoenix in about a week. I want to change the oil before we go so I don't have to mess with it down there (just one less thing to worry about). My question is, the engine calls for 5w-20 but down there it is very hot so I was thinking of putting 5w-30 in it (synthetic of course). Will this be acceptable? I would usually just go with my gut on this sort of stuff as I'm usually pretty knowledgeable with things like this but I figured I would ask some of the people in here who may have more experience then me. -- They say this society judges you by your $value$, if thats the case I'm worthless. |
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  3SGTE ST215W Premium,MVM join:2000-11-23 there clubs: | I would imagine that 5w-30 would be fine, but I can't say that it would be necessary.
You could call a dealer down there and ask them what their summer fill is... -- Overheard: "I could careless matter of Fact"
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| reply to Reg Mauler The weight you would be changing is the viscosity of the oil at normal operating temps. There is no reason for the temp of the oil to change in the engine (once hot) when the temp outside changes by 10 or 20 degrees (while still in the 80-110 range). It's the initial viscosity that would be effected, when the engine has not been warmed up.
Your vehicle should have a manual which should tell you what weight oil to use in different climate. I'd use their recommendation.
With that being said, I'd not change the weight of the oil. |
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| reply to Reg Mauler The 5W is the only thing that would be affected by the ambient air temperature. The 30 part is at engine operating temperatures, which are much higher than I hope ambient air temperature ever gets. The engineers have taken into account variability in air temperature when designing the car, so do not vary from the manufacturer's recommended weight. Also note: some manufacturers are not recommending synthetic for brand new cars because it lubricates too well and does not allow for proper engine break-in. Double-check your manual on that issue, too. -- All hail JoePa |
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  Lurch77 Premium join:2001-11-22 +44.88-87.89 | reply to Reg Mauler Either will work fine. I'd personally stick the 5w-20. |
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  BusinessMan
join:2007-05-17 Ontario, CA | reply to Reg Mauler I use 5w-30 for both of my cars, which are less than 1 years old. |
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join:2004-11-03 Fairfield, CA | reply to Reg Mauler I use the manufacturer recommended weight, never had a lubrication issue, summer or winter. |
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  Reg Mauler Premium join:2004-01-06 Back in ND
| reply to Reg Mauler Ok I understand what you guys are saying. I was just worried about it being too thin at those temps, I was just down there and the heat is like nothing I've ever felt so I was worried about the oil basically turning into water as 20 weight is pretty thin and I read that the only reason they use it is to increase their fuel economy numbers. Oh and the car is plenty broken in, has close to 2k miles. -- They say this society judges you by your $value$, if thats the case I'm worthless. |
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  evergreek Boeing Rocks
join:2003-05-25 Hialeah, FL clubs: | reply to Reg Mauler I use 10w30 in my brand new 07 accord,, 5k miles. |
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  rds24a Teach Your Children Premium join:2000-12-13 Springboro, OH clubs: | reply to Reg Mauler The ones I've seen, the break-in period is 10K. -- All hail JoePa |
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| reply to Reg Mauler said by Reg Mauler :Ok so here's the deal, we just got a new car (2007 Honda Accord SE 4 cyl) about a month ago and we are moving down to Phoenix in about a week. I want to change the oil before we go so I don't have to mess with it down there (just one less thing to worry about). My question is, the engine calls for 5w-20 but down there it is very hot so I was thinking of putting 5w-30 in it (synthetic of course). Will this be acceptable? I would usually just go with my gut on this sort of stuff as I'm usually pretty knowledgeable with things like this but I figured I would ask some of the people in here who may have more experience then me. Consult your owner's manual, and use what it tells you to, based upon your climate. A 5W-20 will provide faster flow and superior lubrication (as in less time to achieve oil pressure) in cold weather. Also, the narrower weight gap (5W-20, as opposed to 5W-30) means that the oil is more stable in maintaining it's specified viscosity.
However, any oil's performance is optimized to a certain operating temperature range. A 5W-30 weight engine oil will be much better suited to higher temps, as in spring to summer weather conditions, whereas a 5W-20 oil is not designed to operate in those higher temps, and will break down and start to oxidize fairly quickly ( with the possible exception of a high-quality FULL synthetic oil). The reason for using a 5W-20 or 5W-30 in newer cars (as opposed to a 10W-30 is because in new engines, the critical internal clearances are much tighter (sometimes as tight as 2 to 5 ten-thousandths of an inch, or .0002-.0005).
The lighter viscosity oil will provide lubrication much quicker, and reduce contact wear considerably better than a 10W-30 oil. Overall, probably the best bet is to use a 5W-30 oil most of the time, because it is a wide range protection oil, and swith to the 5W-20 in much colder climates. As the engine accumulates mileage, you can think about switching to a 10W-30 to compensate for larger internal critical clearances due to normal operational wear, but know that increasing viscosity increases the time it take to achieve full oil pressure, thereby increasing initial start-up wear on all sleeve, non-roller bearings, and pushrod/rockers/cam lobes.
Sorry for being long-winded, but I hope this helps!  |
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  Reg Mauler Premium join:2004-01-06 Back in ND
| said by WTF :said by Reg Mauler :Ok so here's the deal, we just got a new car (2007 Honda Accord SE 4 cyl) about a month ago and we are moving down to Phoenix in about a week. I want to change the oil before we go so I don't have to mess with it down there (just one less thing to worry about). My question is, the engine calls for 5w-20 but down there it is very hot so I was thinking of putting 5w-30 in it (synthetic of course). Will this be acceptable? I would usually just go with my gut on this sort of stuff as I'm usually pretty knowledgeable with things like this but I figured I would ask some of the people in here who may have more experience then me. Consult your owner's manual, and use what it tells you to, based upon your climate. A 5W-20 will provide faster flow and superior lubrication (as in less time to achieve oil pressure) in cold weather. Also, the narrower weight gap (5W-20, as opposed to 5W-30) means that the oil is more stable in maintaining it's specified viscosity. However, any oil's performance is optimized to a certain operating temperature range. A 5W-30 weight engine oil will be much better suited to higher temps, as in spring to summer weather conditions, whereas a 5W-20 oil is not designed to operate in those higher temps, and will break down and start to oxidize fairly quickly ( with the possible exception of a high-quality FULL synthetic oil). The reason for using a 5W-20 or 5W-30 in newer cars (as opposed to a 10W-30 is because in new engines, the critical internal clearances are much tighter (sometimes as tight as 2 to 5 ten-thousandths of an inch, or .0002-.0005). The lighter viscosity oil will provide lubrication much quicker, and reduce contact wear considerably better than a 10W-30 oil. Overall, probably the best bet is to use a 5W-30 oil most of the time, because it is a wide range protection oil, and swith to the 5W-20 in much colder climates. As the engine accumulates mileage, you can think about switching to a 10W-30 to compensate for larger internal critical clearances due to normal operational wear, but know that increasing viscosity increases the time it take to achieve full oil pressure, thereby increasing initial start-up wear on all sleeve, non-roller bearings, and pushrod/rockers/cam lobes. Sorry for being long-winded, but I hope this helps! I pretty much knew that the start up viscosity would be about the same (that's what the 5 is). I was worried about it being too thin at those temps (and yes I know the engine operates at alot hotter temp then the ambient air temp but that doesn't mean the oil doesn't get hotter than that sitting 6 inches above the searing hot blacktop). So basically the debate comes down too 20 weight vs 30 weight. -- They say this society judges you by your $value$, if thats the case I'm worthless. |
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  mattmag Premium,ExMod 2000-03 join:2000-04-09 NW Illinois clubs:
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| said by Reg Mauler : So basically the debate comes down too 20 weight vs 30 weight. Actually there should be no debate at all.
Follow the instructions in your owner's manual for the proper weight oil to use. There is much mis-information circulating about motor oil and what the viscosity specification truly means, and some of it has found its way into this thread.
Bottom line= do what the manufacturer says to do for your particular situation. You'll never go wrong.
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| reply to Reg Mauler I agree with all who says do the owners manual.
Could be the reason Is this. 20 weight is much thinner at (high temps) vs 30 weight oil. Thinner the oil the more the oil can get to where it needs to go in the engine. Todays engines are getting smaller high Hp and at the same time smaller parts are in the engine.
Now with small parts in the engine thicker like the 30w might not get to where it needs to go like btw camchaft and valve. Using a thicker oil can reduce the valve opening. It does not sound like alot but to todays engine with very very close tolerance it doesnt take much. |
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edit: June 19th, @05:20AM
| reply to mattmag said by mattmag :said by Reg Mauler : So basically the debate comes down too 20 weight vs 30 weight. Actually there should be no debate at all. Follow the instructions in your owner's manual for the proper weight oil to use. There is much mis-information circulating about motor oil and what the viscosity specification truly means, and some of it has found its way into this thread. Bottom line= do what the manufacturer says to do for your particular situation. You'll never go wrong. -Matt 100% correct, great advice.
We have two 2006 Hondas (Accord and CR-V) with the same 2.4 liter L4 engine. The manual recommends 5W-20 oil, and we're NOT about to question the wisdom of a manufacturer with the reputation of reliability of Honda.
Also remember this... your vehicle is STILL UNDER WARRANTY. Changing to a different viscosity could affect your coverage. Don't experiment now. Dig a little deeper in your owner's manual and you'll read that Honda specifically recommends that you DO NOT change the oil for the first time until the maintenance reminder light comes on (my 2006 Accord's "wrench light" came on at exactly 6000 miles). Wait until at least that event to change the oil, topping off with Exxon Mobil 5W-20 dino oil which is what repackaged Honda motor oil is anyway.
footnote: We followed this advice to the letter, changing the oil @ 6000 miles in the Accord and 8000 miles in the CR-V. Both vehicles haven't burned any noticeable amount of oil since, so the break-in recommendation is spot on. -- If you can't beat 'em, curse 'em behind their back! |
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  Reg Mauler Premium join:2004-01-06 Back in ND
| reply to mattmag said by mattmag :said by Reg Mauler : So basically the debate comes down too 20 weight vs 30 weight. Actually there should be no debate at all. Follow the instructions in your owner's manual for the proper weight oil to use. There is much mis-information circulating about motor oil and what the viscosity specification truly means, and some of it has found its way into this thread. Bottom line= do what the manufacturer says to do for your particular situation. You'll never go wrong. -Matt Ok I'll go quietly Thanks all! -- They say this society judges you by your $value$, if thats the case I'm worthless. |
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  3SGTE ST215W Premium,MVM join:2000-11-23 there clubs:
| Have you looked in the manual?
Some of them have temperature dependant ranges that result in the vehicle having two specified acceptable viscosities.
What does the manual actually say? -- Overheard: "I could careless matter of Fact"
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edit: June 19th, @03:05PM
| reply to 3SGTE said by 3SGTE :Have you looked in the manual? Some of them have temperature dependant ranges that result in the vehicle having two specified acceptable viscosities. What does the manual actually say? This is quoted from the 2006 Accord owner's manual, page 204 under the heading Recommended Engine Oil (I expect the 2007 version to be identical or very similar):
"...Always use a premium-grade 5W-20 detergent oil displaying the API Certification seal...
...5W-20 oil is formulated for year-round protection of your vehicle to improve cold weather starting and fuel economy."
The graphic showing the acceptable temperature range shows a double-ended arrow for 5W-20 extending below -20 degrees to above 100 degrees Fahrenheit. There are NO references to any other viscosities or high temperature driving conditions where another grade of oil would be recommended. -- If you can't beat 'em, curse 'em behind their back! |
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  evergreek Boeing Rocks
join:2003-05-25 Hialeah, FL clubs: | reply to Reg Mauler weird my honda dealership put in 10w30 mobil 1 full synthetic on my first oil chg!  |
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