Re: More media hype in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18526326 en Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:45:33 EDT Sat, 28 Nov 2009 15:45:33 EDT Re: More media hype http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18527350 AnonShawUser : Funny that he'd try saying that sites like YouTube are primarily used for copyright material. I've yet to see even a single full movie posted there. I've seen the occasional video segment from a movie, but only small. Like the intro to PotC3, where they sing Hoist the Colours.

I guess speedruns, game clips, and noteworthy commercials are all considered to be IP violations worthy of being called piracy, somehow. That or I'm just not looking in the right place.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18527350 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 14:42:55 EDT Re: More media hype http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18527062 Kearnstd : haha even better is they think the ISPs can even know what is in the packets? sure they might be able to see that something is an Mpeg file but they have no clue what it is and couldnt run a hash on it without majorly harming performance. and in this day in age speed is more important then a few grand off some multibillion dollar company's bottom line. i dont want to lag in WoW because the FCC wants all packets inspected to make the MPAA/RIAA/NBC happy, my gaming experience is more important then their DRM.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

...And let's face it, the majority of p2p and streaming video is pirated.
where is your link for that little factoid? I put that in the same category as "the RIAA is losing HUNDREDS of BILLIONS of dollars a year to piracy!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526783 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 13:03:23 EDT Re: More media hype http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526716 BosstonesOwn :
said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

If you add the 37% of p2p with the 36% streaming video, they aren't far off. And let's face it, the majority of p2p and streaming video is pirated.
That is an awful corner to paint yourself into.

Majority is actually quite legal. Sling box ? websites with their shows streaming ability ? I tunes ? Surely all these pirates must be stopped !

You can't just baseline based on US traffic as well. I myself watch streaming media from other places all over the world. Both me and my wife.

I happen to stream content from Italy and the Uk, the shows on their sites are quite good ,albeit a week delayed. I use roughly 120 gigs a month and none are pirated content. How is this possible ? That would make a majority of my traffic pirated content.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Presently, as a result of streaming audio and video in Web downloads, HTTP is approximately 46% of all traffic on the network. P2P continues as a strong second place at 37% of total traffic. Newsgroups (9%), non-HTTP video streaming (3%), gaming (2%) and VoIP (1%) are the next widely used applications.
If you add the 37% of p2p with the 36% streaming video, they aren't far off. And let's face it, the majority of p2p and streaming video is pirated.
Talk about twisting the facts to fit your reality! Why bother even quoting them if you're going to ignore them? The Streaming video has nothing to do with piracy!
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HTTP is approximately 46% of all traffic on the network
Breaking down application types within HTTP
Streaming video represents 36%
P2P continues as a strong second place at 37%

SO the math is actually .37 + (.46 * .36) OR 37% plus 36% of 46% representing videos contribution to the total http traffic which is 46% of all traffic so 54%. Or in the words of diet pepsi uh yeah slightly more than half. That leaves an error of 6% to 16% in their assumption of 60 to 70 percent. That's a fairly large margin of error. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526545 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:24:24 EDT Re: More media hype http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526488 Chosen1 : I read that info to mean "of the 46% HTTP, 36% is streaming video." Meaning add another 16.5% to the 37% for a total of 53.5%. HOWEVER, even that argument is flawed because that assumes all streaming video is pirated content, which is not true. Most pirates would never tolerate the poor quality and relative inconvenience (compared to dvd's or video cd's) of streaming video.

Regardless, no one can possibly know the percentages of illegal content within a given internet protocol without being able to examine ALL data for a given time frame. These are guesses at best and can easily be skewed to favor whatever argument you're pursuing at the time.

-Chosen1]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526488 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:15:18 EDT Re: More media hype http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526455 Modworks : Majority of streaming video is pirated ?
Really ?
Could have fooled me.
Sites like itunes are hardly pirating.
I use my tivo to download movies off the net from unbox, and soon netflix, are these pirated too ?

P2P at 37% ?
If you say majority is pirated whats that 20 % ?

More uses p2p than movie and music downloaders.
Alot of recent games use p2p for content updates.
Many people distribute legal software via p2p because they can't afford to host servers themselves.

Hrm, adding the two up, your closer to maybe 30% of internet traffic. Thats ALOT less than the nbc numbers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526455 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:09:06 EDT Re: More media hype http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526433 Toguro : Let see illegal streaming video i seriously doubt comes in at 36% maybe 5 or 10 but not 36%. There is just to many places to view free legit videos from.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526433 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:05:18 EDT Re: More media hype http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526326 TKJunkMail :
said by Modworks See Profile :

p2p is far from 60-70% of all internet traffic.
Here are very recent numbers:
»home.businesswire.com/portal/sit···sLang=en
After more than four years during which peer-to-peer (P2P) applications have overwhelmingly consumed the largest percentage of bandwidth on the network, HTTP (Web) traffic has overtaken P2P and continues to grow. Presently, as a result of streaming audio and video in Web downloads, HTTP is approximately 46% of all traffic on the network. P2P continues as a strong second place at 37% of total traffic. Newsgroups (9%), non-HTTP video streaming (3%), gaming (2%) and VoIP (1%) are the next widely used applications.

Breaking down application types within HTTP, the data reveals that traditional Web page downloads (i.e. text and images) represent 45% of all Web traffic. Streaming video represents 36% and streaming audio 5% of all HTTP traffic. YouTube alone comprises approximately 20% of all HTTP traffic, or nearly 10% of all traffic on the Internet.
If you add the 37% of p2p with the 36% streaming video, they aren't far off. And let's face it, the majority of p2p and streaming video is pirated.
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If the federal government knew that 60-70% of the payload was illegal , yes they would stop it.

The question is, how are they to find out ?
Does NBC expect the government to be given the right to open every single package ups has because they "might" be illegal.

This is clearly what NBC wants. How do they know that 90% traffic is illegal ? Are they opening every single packet and inspecting what it is ?

Its just more hype from the media , they aren't making the money they once did and are looking for a scape goat.

p2p is far from 60-70% of all internet traffic.

What these companies want is for there servers to become your internet firewall, where they can decide what you can and cannot access. China anyone ?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18526245 Mon, 18 Jun 2007 11:37:20 EDT