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footballdude

join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

not for long

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this will be overturned. One of the big considerations in whether authorities can snoop on something is if the parties involved had an expectation of privacy. There is no privacy in e-mail. Unless it is encrypted, an email is wide open to every server it flows through on it's journey. Without an expectation of privacy, the fourth amendment doesn't apply.
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sd70mac666

join:2003-06-05
Saint Albans, VT
so does that mean I can go out and shoot someone and argue in court that the cops and the prosecutor's office are violating my second amendment right?

The 4th Amendment does apply apparently to e-mail. It's the times dude


MemphisPCGuy
Senior Systems Engineer
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join:2004-05-09
Memphis, TN
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reply to footballdude
said by footballdude See Profile :

There is no privacy in e-mail. Unless it is encrypted, an email is wide open to every server it flows through on it's journey. Without an expectation of privacy, the fourth amendment doesn't apply.
So are telephones... if you are an operator or work in the business, listening in on a telephone conversation takes just the flick of a switch. 22 years ago I had a summer job as a telephone information operator (Air Force Brat Overseas) and I could listen in to phone calls quite easily with just a slight press of a switch.

If you survey John Q. Public I assure you they expect privacy in their emails, especially considering to read an email you need a secret "password".
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DaveO

join:2001-09-05
Easley, SC
reply to footballdude
footballdude, that's like saying we don't have an expectation of privacy with the letters we mail because many postal workers handle it on its journey.


N3OGH
Will it all be Obama's fault now?
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs
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reply to footballdude
said by footballdude See Profile :

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this will be overturned. One of the big considerations in whether authorities can snoop on something is if the parties involved had an expectation of privacy. There is no privacy in e-mail. Unless it is encrypted, an email is wide open to every server it flows through on it's journey. Without an expectation of privacy, the fourth amendment doesn't apply.
Ahh, but I think there's a certain flaw in your reasoning. See, it's all in the perception. The average person who uses e-mail is often led to believe it is secure. If you lose your password, it can be e-mailed to you. When you register for a new account someplace like BBR, they e-mail you your activation.

The average e-mail user isn't aware of how "out in the open" e-mail really is. Remember, it's all about the EXPECTATION of privacy, not the reality of it.

I think most non tech oriented people would expect their e-mail to be secure.

For most people, I think that expectation does exist, and I think most non tech people (like judges!) will see it that way.
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footballdude

join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

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said by DaveO See Profile :

footballdude, that's like saying we don't have an expectation of privacy with the letters we mail because many postal workers handle it on its journey.
You have no expectation of privacy if you send a postcard, for that very reason. Sealed letters are a different matter.
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What's certain about Darwinism is that it would take less time for (1) a single-celled organism to evolve into a human being through mutation and natural selection than for (2) Darwinists to admit they have no proof of (1) - Ann Coulter

footballdude

join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO

reply to sd70mac666
said by sd70mac666 See Profile :

so does that mean I can go out and shoot someone and argue in court that the cops and the prosecutor's office are violating my second amendment right?
The second amendment gives you the right to keep and bear arms. It doesn't give you the right to shoot anyone.
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What's certain about Darwinism is that it would take less time for (1) a single-celled organism to evolve into a human being through mutation and natural selection than for (2) Darwinists to admit they have no proof of (1) - Ann Coulter


plk
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join:2002-04-20
Ogden, IA

reply to N3OGH
If I remember correct, they made it illegal to eavesdrop on cordless telephones back in the 80s I believe. So this will be interesting. Unencrypted radio waves made illegal to capture? Was this the case? Was this based on assumed privacy or what. Anyone know?

I am thrilled the courts are stepping up on this. It isn't that damn hard to have a staff of judges on call to get a warrant. The police in the real world can usually make a phone call and get one. What? We have no judges who can get National security clearance? Please
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Lil Jon
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join:2006-06-26
Lawrenceville, GA

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said by N3OGH See Profile :

said by footballdude See Profile :

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that this will be overturned. One of the big considerations in whether authorities can snoop on something is if the parties involved had an expectation of privacy. There is no privacy in e-mail. Unless it is encrypted, an email is wide open to every server it flows through on it's journey. Without an expectation of privacy, the fourth amendment doesn't apply.
Ahh, but I think there's a certain flaw in your reasoning. See, it's all in the perception. The average person who uses e-mail is often led to believe it is secure. If you lose your password, it can be e-mailed to you. When you register for a new account someplace like BBR, they e-mail you your activation.

The average e-mail user isn't aware of how "out in the open" e-mail really is. Remember, it's all about the EXPECTATION of privacy, not the reality of it.

I think most non tech oriented people would expect their e-mail to be secure.

For most people, I think that expectation does exist, and I think most non tech people (like judges!) will see it that way.
Well said, I was going to say something similar.
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