timoteo21
join:2002-05-14
Los Angeles, CA
| reply to mackjr
Re: It's a business
My experience with Verizon was opposite. 3 out of 4 sales reps I asked insisted that "unlimited" really meant unlimited. When I pointed out the clear statements to the contrary in their brochure, they said to ignore it; that Verizon really doesn't care what you do as long as you stay under 5 GB cap.
I think the 5GB cap is great, if that's all there is to it. What bugs me is all the roundabout language, restricting particular applications, and saying the 5GB quota is really just an "indicator" that those other terms are being violated. If this is just a word game to let them continue advertising a 5GB plan as "unlimited," I'm fine with that. What bothers me more, as an application developer, is that Verizon appears willing to let a lot of cheating go on, while waiting to step in and demand a piece of any application that achieves success. |
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elvey
Spamassassin
join:2001-02-17
San Francisco, CA | reply to Goober
You're right. It's a business...
It's a business in the same sense that Organized Crime rings like the Mafia are businesses. Just like my sig says... (on longer posts!) |
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
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join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| reply to Goober
it is called running a business but you dont sell a device that is advertised as exclusive to your network and show in the ads it doing things that arent allowed by your user agreement.
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Titus Pullo
I came, I saw, I slept
join:2004-06-26
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| reply to Goober
said by Goober  :It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. Oh, good: We have another "Two hard rights from a Swastika" BBR moment!
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mackjr
join:2006-04-14
Bayonne, NJ
| reply to pnh102
Having just bought the Verizon Wireless data plan in question...they are not hiding the cap by any means. It is on every single page that references the plan, and the sales reps will mention it to you when talking about the plan. I agree it's probably better to refer to it as the "5GB Plan," but they are certainly not hiding the details on the cap. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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| reply to ColorBASIC
said by ColorBASIC :When they (Comcast) first started sending out nastygrams, they did. I suppose the fact that they no longer do that can be considered "progress" LOL.
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phattieg
join:2001-04-29
Winter Park, FL
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said by pnh102 :said by KrK :No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... It should always be known as deceptive advertising! Any provider that advertises unlimited service should be punished if they do not provide anything less than unlimited service. If provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that? iPhone is CRAP! This is another reason why NOT to waste money on this product. Good luck Apple, the iPOD had less issues. It's a shame it has to be this restrictive on PDA type devices. SERO unlimited data kicks butt!!!
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA | reply to pnh102
When they (Comcast) first started sending out nastygrams, they did. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
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said by ColorBASIC :Evidently very difficult for Verizon and Comcast. Well to be fair to Comcast, at least they do not advertise their service as being "unlimited." Verizon Wireless still does, and should be sanctioned if they continue cutting off users.
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
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join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 : If a provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that? Evidently very difficult for Verizon and Comcast.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to KrK
said by KrK :No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... It should always be known as deceptive advertising! Any provider that advertises unlimited service should be punished if they do not provide anything less than unlimited service. If a provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that?
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ColorBASIC
8-bit Fun
Premium
join:2006-12-29
Corona, CA
| reply to Goober
It's known as false advertising and liberals and conservatives alike should be pissed and hold these companies accountable for the lies these companies use in their advertising to steal from customers.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
Schererville, IN | reply to Goober
You say that, until of course they set a per month cap and start charging 5 cents a kilobyte after that cap. |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast
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Not neccessarily, all EULAs carry "we reserve the right to change as we see fit" addendum. This always means that they can tap another revenue stream. These changes are probably already written by the 1000 cryptic lawyers that write these agreements.
...at the end you'll see "do as I say, not as I do!" |
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moonpuppy
join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD | reply to KrK
DING DING DING!!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!
It's deceptive advertising. Plain and simple. |
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Dagda1175
join:2001-06-17
Goleta, CA | reply to Goober
said by It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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Exactly this. |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
·AT&T Yahoo
·AT&T DSL Service
·Cox HSI
·AT&T Southwest
| reply to Goober
said by Goober :It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... Such as advertising "Unlimited Use" and then buring the fact it's capped and really extremely limited in the small print of some contract. Run a TV ad showing a feature, and then forbid them from using that feature once they actually buy the service.
Actually, now that you mention it, you're quite right. Apparently this is the norm for these types of businesses these days. No matter how many years go by, this place with its anti-consumer, screw-the-customer, loot, steal and burn the people's money pro-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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Goober
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join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
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| "Obviously AT&T will make an exception here (this will adhere to their "wireless content standards"), but it's amusing how these restrictive 3G EULAs we as consumers are bound to suddenly disappear when it comes time to sell product."
It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me. |
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