It's a business in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18540824 en Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:41:48 EDT Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:41:48 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545816 timoteo21 : My experience with Verizon was opposite. 3 out of 4 sales reps I asked insisted that "unlimited" really meant unlimited. When I pointed out the clear statements to the contrary in their brochure, they said to ignore it; that Verizon really doesn't care what you do as long as you stay under 5 GB cap.

I think the 5GB cap is great, if that's all there is to it. What bugs me is all the roundabout language, restricting particular applications, and saying the 5GB quota is really just an "indicator" that those other terms are being violated. If this is just a word game to let them continue advertising a 5GB plan as "unlimited," I'm fine with that. What bothers me more, as an application developer, is that Verizon appears willing to let a lot of cheating go on, while waiting to step in and demand a piece of any application that achieves success.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545816 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:28:46 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545792 elvey : You're right. It's a business...

It's a business in the same sense that Organized Crime rings like the Mafia are businesses. Just like my sig says... (on longer posts!) ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545792 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:25:04 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18544788 Kearnstd : it is called running a business but you dont sell a device that is advertised as exclusive to your network and show in the ads it doing things that arent allowed by your user agreement.
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said by Goober See Profile :

It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
Oh, good: We have another "Two hard rights from a Swastika" BBR moment!
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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

When they (Comcast) first started sending out nastygrams, they did.
I suppose the fact that they no longer do that can be considered "progress" LOL.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18543124 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:25:32 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542674 phattieg :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by KrK See Profile :

No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising....
It should always be known as deceptive advertising! Any provider that advertises unlimited service should be punished if they do not provide anything less than unlimited service. If provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that?
iPhone is CRAP! This is another reason why NOT to waste money on this product. Good luck Apple, the iPOD had less issues. It's a shame it has to be this restrictive on PDA type devices. SERO unlimited data kicks butt!!!
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said by ColorBASIC See Profile :

Evidently very difficult for Verizon and Comcast.
Well to be fair to Comcast, at least they do not advertise their service as being "unlimited." Verizon Wireless still does, and should be sanctioned if they continue cutting off users.
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542455 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:36:54 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542437 ColorBASIC :
said by pnh102 See Profile :

If a provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that?
Evidently very difficult for Verizon and Comcast.
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542437 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:33:21 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542401 pnh102 :
said by KrK See Profile :

No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising....
It should always be known as deceptive advertising! Any provider that advertises unlimited service should be punished if they do not provide anything less than unlimited service. If a provider wants to impose caps or limits, just say what they are up front. How hard is that?
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Only SHATNER is Kirk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542401 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:26:24 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542108 ColorBASIC : It's known as false advertising and liberals and conservatives alike should be pissed and hold these companies accountable for the lies these companies use in their advertising to steal from customers.
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Macintosh Users Group Serving the Inland Empire]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18542108 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:33:06 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541572 insomniac84 : You say that, until of course they set a per month cap and start charging 5 cents a kilobyte after that cap.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541572 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:56:27 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541272 S_engineer : Not neccessarily, all EULAs carry "we reserve the right to change as we see fit" addendum. This always means that they can tap another revenue stream. These changes are probably already written by the 1000 cryptic lawyers that write these agreements.

...at the end you'll see "do as I say, not as I do!"]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541272 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:01:38 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541223 moonpuppy : DING DING DING!!!!!! WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!

It's deceptive advertising. Plain and simple.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541223 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:52:07 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541185 Dagda1175 :
said by It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
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Exactly this. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541185 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:45:08 EDT Re: It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541010 KrK :
said by Goober See Profile :

It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.
No it's known as dishonesty, unethical, misleading behavior. Sometimes known as deceptive advertising.... Such as advertising "Unlimited Use" and then buring the fact it's capped and really extremely limited in the small print of some contract. Run a TV ad showing a feature, and then forbid them from using that feature once they actually buy the service.

Actually, now that you mention it, you're quite right. Apparently this is the norm for these types of businesses these days. No matter how many years go by, this place with its anti-consumer, screw-the-customer, loot, steal and burn the people's money pro-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.

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"Regulatory capitalism is when companies invest in lawyers, lobbyists, and politicians, instead of plant, people, and customer service." - former FCC Chairman William Kennard (A real FCC Chairman, unlike the current Corporate Spokesperson in the job!)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18541010 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 17:13:40 EDT It's a business http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18540824 Goober : "Obviously AT&T will make an exception here (this will adhere to their "wireless content standards"), but it's amusing how these restrictive 3G EULAs we as consumers are bound to suddenly disappear when it comes time to sell product."

It's known as running a business. No matter how many years go by, this place with its uber-liberal anti-business thinking never ceases to amaze me.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18540824 Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:42:15 EDT