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en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

everything that isn't paid through AT&T violates EULA

Basically, this means that AT&T/iPhone have a 'deal', and they will most likely make exceptions to iPhone customers, as Apple/iPhone have the monopoly on it.

I.e. Everything else violates EULA, unless those companies come to us and pay us for exclusivity rights.

In the end, this is how standard broadband will end up if net neutrality doesn't take hold.


JamesPC

join:2005-10-12
Orange, CA

exactly, the wireless networks are everything that we don't want broadband to be. This is a prime example of what happens when the network owners make all the decisions.


truocchio

join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL

God forbid the ones who paid the money to put up the networks want to control their network and make money off of it. It is totally unbelievable!!!!



en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

I don't have an issue with them attempting to partner with a content provider and make money. The issue I have is someone throwing money (venture capital?) to take something which was Internet access (which many of us want), and turn it into a a 3rd party content filtered / capped connection if you don't use the content provider.

Are you saying because at&t put up networks that Vonage/Skype shouldn't be able to make money ? They have to pay for Internet connectivity, as does everyone else that has an Internet connection. If this doesn't pay for the network, then the business model is skewed.
Having the ISP take money from the content provider isn't wrong, as long as it doesn't dictate HOW the Internet is run. Zonefinder, proxies, adware browsers are just the start.


truocchio

join:2004-07-05
Miami Beach, FL

Ethically, no. I think they should let everyone use any application they want, that would be great for me, not so much them.

Realistically, they can tell me that I can/cannot do anything on their network and either I don't buy the service or I do and I deal with the BS.

In addition I understand (sometimes) why they do these things. It is to ensure their limited resource (spectrum/bandwidth) is not being completely used up by those individuals who want use more the resources for themselves in effect causing other users to have a bad experience. And in this case if some users want to use youtube and take up a lot of resources then they are making sure they get paid for it.

If I cant use skype on my handheld but can always get good cell phone connections and google maps when I need it than I am okay with that. Eventually technology will increase the available resources and then other applications will become available.



en102
Canadian, eh?

join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA

Right..
What I (and probably many others) have been concerned about would be something like VoIP on DSL/Cable being filtered.

Eg. coworkers on Cable have poor quality Vonage (with 8Mpbs HSI), while I've had excellent quality Skype on 1.5Mbps DSL.

I somewhat expect it on Wireless, as it isn't considered (except on Data cards) an Internet connection, but a portal.


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