DSL Lab Rat
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2 edits | [Services] AT&T to block pirated content In an unprecedented move, AT&T announced today it's intention to begin blocking what it determines to be pirated content....
»www.redherring.com/Article.aspx?···AndMedia
"AT&T on Wednesday became the first major U.S. telecommunications carrier to announce that it was taking steps to curb Internet piracy on its network.
The move marks a surprising reversal for AT&T, given that telecoms and cable companies have traditionally stood behind legal protections to avoid responsibility for copyrighted movies and music flowing through their pipes.
"What we're trying to do in our piracy initiative is to try to come up with a network-based solution", AT&T head of external and legislative affairs Jim Cicconi said during a panel about rights management at the Digital Hollywood conference in Santa Monica." | |
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Hanceville, AL
| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content What they're going to wind up doing is chasing off a majority of their subscribers, who can go to cable and not worry about anti piracy measures.
It honestly sounds like another case of big business listening to lobbyist rather than to the consumers that support them. | |
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madmax2000
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Miami, FL | Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content If this is does get executed, I won't hesitate to drop AT&T. | |
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| said by madmax2000  :cable companys just rate limit their customers who download illegal things and who have to deal with shared bandwidth. Their limits are pretty high though, more than I'd ever download in a month. If AT&T implements some type of IP or packet filtering for torrents and the like, I'll be switching over to cable for sure. | |
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Doctor Olds
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| said by DSL Lab Rat :In an unprecedented move, AT&T announced today it's intention to begin blocking what it determines to be pirated content.... With this move, will they drop all Usenet Servers that they host (Bellsouth, AT&T, SBC)?
And more important, does not this move cause them to lose their coveted "Common Carrier" status?
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@bellsouth.net | Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content Would this mean they'd only drop their own server access or also implement the means to block a user from using a different newshosting company? | |
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Doctor Olds
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by GreatGoogly :
Would this mean they'd only drop their own server access or also implement the means to block a user from using a different newshosting company?
According to the "a network-based solution" that means from *any* source as they are going to block it from being able to enter their network period. Since they are aligning themselves with Hollywood, they would have to block it from the entire network.
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| FAQFixer
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| said by Doctor Olds :said by DSL Lab Rat :In an unprecedented move, AT&T announced today it's intention to begin blocking what it determines to be pirated content.... With this move, will they drop all Usenet Servers that they host (Bellsouth, AT&T, SBC)? Hopefully!!!! Second only to P2P applications, Usenet is the single largest distribution source of pirated and copyrighted material. | |
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usa | Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content Now I gotta make a "Civil War" banner with "I'm with the EFF" sloppily placed. | |
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| said by FAQFixer : Hopefully!!!! Second only to P2P applications, Usenet is the single largest distribution source of pirated and copyrighted material. Why don't you just rent a billboard and announce it to the whole friggin world?
Sheesh.
That's all we need, another batch of newbies with their 64kbs crap. | |
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2 edits | Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by Claybraker :said by FAQFixer : Hopefully!!!! Second only to P2P applications, Usenet is the single largest distribution source of pirated and copyrighted material. Why don't you just rent a billboard and announce it to the whole friggin world? Sheesh. That's all we need, another batch of newbies with their 64kbs crap. Sorry about that. The good news is Usenet is definitely not friendly for newbies. The wierdo/screwball/can't take direct sunlight/never kissed a girl before/hardcore nut case/I live in my parent's basement/local charter member of the Amiga Club/I soiled myself waiting for a multi-part binary to download population usually scares them off in minutes. 
Of course I'm not talking about any of you guys.
It's like that lady who used to say, "Whenever you are in a large crowd always try to identify the crazy looking, insane person. If you can't find them...it's you!"  | |
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by FAQFixer :said by Claybraker :said by FAQFixer : Hopefully!!!! Second only to P2P applications, Usenet is the single largest distribution source of pirated and copyrighted material. Why don't you just rent a billboard and announce it to the whole friggin world? Sheesh. That's all we need, another batch of newbies with their 64kbs crap. Sorry about that. The good news is Usenet is definitely not friendly for newbies. The wierdo/screwball/can't take direct sunlight/never kissed a girl before/hardcore nut case/I live in my parent's basement/local charter member of the Amiga Club/I soiled myself waiting for a multi-part binary to download population usually scares them off in minutes. Of course I'm not talking about any of you guys. It like that lady who used to say, "Whenever you are in a large crowd always try to identify the crazy looking, insane person. If you can't find them...it's you!" It's fallen from it's former glory, but alt.usenet.kooks used to be one of my favorite haunts. I even had a highly coveted @lart.com email address from Taylor Netscum. You can't buy one of those, they have to be earned.
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content oh crap id drop dsl in a sec with this, BUT i cant get cable yet and on top of that the cable company thats installing cable in my area is none other than Bright House. So id have to get earthlink form them instead of RR....but i hate earthlink and it doesnt have as high speeds.  | |
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2 edits | Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by DV0407 :i cant get cable yet and on top of that the cable company thats installing cable in my area is none other than Bright House. So id have to get earthlink form them instead of RR....but i hate earthlink and it doesnt have as high speeds. I think you are highly confused as Earthlink is not a forced provider (it is one option, but you do not have to choose it) and the speeds are indeed higher.
»cfl.mybrighthouse.com/products_a···ult.aspx
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Bright House Networks High Speed Internet Service VERSUS DSL
We offer you a choice of High Speed Internet providers: Road Runner High Speed Online, Road Runner Premium and Road Runner Lite, EarthLink High Speed Internet or EarthLink Lite. You choose which works best for you!
Our top speeds let you surf the Web at up to a blazing 10Mbps! Road Runner Premium is up to 180 times faster than dial-up. With DSL your top speed offer is only 6Mbps - that's 1Mbps slower than our standard speed!
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Splitpair
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| said by Doctor Olds :And more important, does not this move cause them to lose their coveted "Common Carrier" status? Regards, Doctor Olds Short answer is no. The common carrier/interconnect carrier at&t is not the same as the ISP at&t. One is highly regulated carrier and the other a non-regulated for profit corporation.
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| NormanS
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content Try buying "Dennou Coil", or "Lucky Star" anywhere in the U.S. At least, at this time (as I write this) neither has been licensed for U.S. distribution. If you want to watch them, and others of their kind (anime; Japanese animation), you either wait until (or if) they are licensed, and published, by U.S. Companies, or you BT them.
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Pashune
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by NormanS :Try buying "Dennou Coil", or "Lucky Star" anywhere in the U.S. At least, at this time (as I write this) neither has been licensed for U.S. distribution. If you want to watch them, and others of their kind (anime; Japanese animation), you either wait until (or if) they are licensed, and published, by U.S. Companies, or you BT them. *Lucky Star fanatic*
But that's not the point of this thread...heheh.
Or you can "Stage6" them until they get removed due to licensing.. | |
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dcuebas
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content I've been thinking about signing up with at&t (bellsouth) and found this thread when I was browsing this forum for any bellsouth / at&t issues. I was "this close" to ordering DSL 6.0 before I started doing some digging on this news.
Its been about a month since their content censorship announcement. Any updates as to how or what they're gonna be blocking?
I'm not worried so much about pirated content, but I am wondering about what sites or criteria they're going to block.
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| I know it's weird, but there are only a couple of people at work that have any idea what the Usenet actually is. When a customer has a problem getting access to newsgroups, they always send 'em to me and I get it resolved in a blink.
You'd think that people that do tech support for ISPs would at least know what news groups are and how to access them. Of course, most of the people that I work with are still in high school. I guess there are few of us left that remember the days of Gopher, Telnet, Finger, Whois and most especially Usenet.
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content beldin, that's funny about what you said about Usenet. I'm not that tech saavy, but figured it out easily with online directions. I have two friends I've tried to push into the Newsgroups direction, but they both seem to think it's too hard. One is a Ga. Tech math grad! The other works in a technical job at a TV station. This cracks me up. They both think I'm computer-smart. No way, I just realize that almost any computer problem can be explained by others online. | |
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Orlando, FL | Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content Doctor Olds i actually said earthlink because i wouldnt get the packet shaving with them, cause if you see several post above it says RR is doing the same. and by speeds i meant Eearthlink doesnt offer the speeds RR does. | |
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pas1972
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2 edits | I find it funny how people will defend a corporation's position.
Let's say that AT&T does implement this some type of anti piracy measures.
Most people don't pay for 6 meg broadband so that they can surf the web. There's a reason people want to have that much bandwidth.
If all I did was play some online games and web browse, a 1.5 meg connection would be fine.
By cutting out piracy they cut out the need for the larger bandwidth connections, and potentially a large percentage of their customer base that only uses DSL because they need the bandwidth in order to be able to download the pirated content. | |
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by pas1972 :I find it funny how people will defend a corporation's position. Let's say that AT&T does implement this some type of anti piracy measures. Most people don't pay for 6 meg broadband so that they can surf the web. There's a reason people want to have that much bandwidth. If all I did was play some online games and web browse, a 1.5 meg connection would be fine. By cutting out piracy they cut out the need for the larger bandwidth connections, and potentially a large percentage of their customer base that only uses DSL because they need the bandwidth in order to be able to download the pirated content. So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content? Or are you saying they should support piracy because it lines their pockets?
Geez...I don't know whether to be insulted at the insinuation or laugh. Please don't tell me that if AT&T went on record as supporting piracy you'd applaud them. | |
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DSL Lab Rat
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by DSL Lab Rat :pas1972, Why do you have 6 Meg service? Lol, now that was funny. | |
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1 edit | "So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content?" That's exactly what I was saying.
The difference between a 6 meg connection and a 1.5 to the average home user when they are downloading mp3's legally and watching YouTube is negligible.
Most users get faster connections because they need the bandwidth. Why do they need the bandwidth? Because they're downloading 4 gig dvd's and iso copies of games.
The idea that someone would need a 6 meg connection to surf the web is laughable.
Btw, exactly why would you be insulted at the idea? Are you a majority stockholder in AT&T's stock? | |
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content My, what a narrow little imagination you have. I happen to have a 6 meg connection which I use quite frequently for purposes other than downloading pirated material. I think it's hilarious that you believe that's the only thing someone could make use of it for. But I guess the whole world has to fit your predetermined views, huh? | |
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content Pashune, I never said that people didn't use their 6 meg connection for legal purposes. What I said was that the main reason most home users would get a 6 meg connection is to download pirated material.
That doesn't mean that people only use it for pirated material. It just means that if Joe Smoe has a 1.5 connection and uses his internet casually like most people, then he upgrades to a 6 meg connection, the chances are he won't be able to tell the difference between his 1.5 meg and his 6 meg. More than likely under those circumstance Joe Smoe will downgrade his service rather than pay the extra money monthly. Unless Joe Smoe is the type that likes to show up his friends, then he'd keep the 6 meg just to be able to brag that he had 6 meg.
This entire discussion has brought another question to mind, why do ISP's always act like it's so terrible for their users to actually use the bandwidth they pay for?
If they sell you a 6 meg line, but want to through a tantrum if you actually use the full 6 megs, why not just sell a maximum of 3?
It seems to me like they are acting like the injured party when they are gambling on people not using the bandwidth, then people actually do. | |
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1 edit | said by RJ44 :My, what a narrow little imagination you have. I happen to have a 6 meg connection which I use quite frequently for purposes other than downloading pirated material. I think it's hilarious that you believe that's the only thing someone could make use of it for. But I guess the whole world has to fit your predetermined views, huh? About as much as the world has to fit yours.
You notice I did say FOR THE AVERAGE HOME USER.
You were once again too busy stepping up on the podium to notice.
Let's cover this, I WAS STATING MY OPINION. I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.
Are we on the same page now?
Though I'm sure there are plenty of legal uses for large amounts of bandwidth, the PRIMARY reason people upgrade speeds is to be able to download larger files in shorter periods of time.
You can run off at the mouth to try and make that statement not be true, but in the end you won't sway me over to your side, so why bother arguing?
I think someone already confirmed my assumption a couple of replies up when they stated that P2P traffic was the majority of traffic on Bellsouth's network. That would tend to say that quite a bit of people are using their broadband for the exact purpose of piracy.
Oh and btw, I hope you noticed me not being nice anymore. It's a direct response to you trying to belittle me in your post.
Edit: Boy you Bellsouth techs sure do act professional to the public. I wonder if you talk to your customers that way when on a service call? It would be far easier to have a rational discussion if you didn't always try and belittle and degrade people because they don't agree with your opinion. In your eyes I may have a limited imagination, but in my eyes you lack the maturity to have an adult discussion. | |
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| NormanS
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| said by pas1972 :"So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content?" That's exactly what I was saying. Then you are wrong. I know an architect who is a photographer on the side. He frequently deals with large files, legitimately, for which a 6Mbps connection would be barely adequate.
OTOH, high data speed is no excuse for engaging in ethically questionable activity.
I don't need to be a burglar in order to use locksmith tools; nor to I need to be a robber in order to use a firearm.
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Oleg
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beldin
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| Of course, there are always ways around any filters that are put in place. They will only stop the "average" user from obtaining pirated content. The "hard-core" users will still be able to get most anything they want with just a little more work.
I could care less if filters are put in place. I've got 6.0 service because I've got 4 computers, a PS2 and an XBox360 all connected. Plus the fact that when I download from iTunes, I don't want to wait a long time for it come down. And, the price difference from 3.0 to 6.0 is such a small amount that I figured it would be worth it.
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1 edit | said by DSL Lab Rat :In an unprecedented move, AT&T announced today it's intention to begin blocking what it determines to be pirated content.... When entering into contracts with content providers try to imagine the leverage provided by offering to help them manage their piracy problems?
Now that's something that can't be found (for now) with cable.
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SpottedCat
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| It's kind of disturbing how telcos act as if they are doing us a favour when we are the ones paying them for access.
*WE*, collectively are their boss. *WE* are the customer. They should need permission from US, their users, to be able to do this.
It's sad that the majority of the userbase is oblivious to this sort of thing. I'm sure if there were an uprising of user complaints to this new policy, they'd be less quick to try to implement it.
Arrgh. Whatever happened to good customer service? | |
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jazzman916
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jazzman916
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logic1977
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| It seems to me the purpose of an isp is whatever that's ISP's management thinks it is.
The guy in the suit may not know how to go in and support the network (then again he may depending on the company), but he doesn't need to either. That's what he pays his technical staff for.
What they don't pay there technical staff for is to make high level decisions on how they should provide there services and to make corporate direction setting decisions.
To block pirated content is a BUSINESS decision. It is not a technical decision so why should the network support group have input on whether it should be implimented?
There is a technical component to the decision of course. If you decide to block this content your network team needs to tell you how much it will cost in order to impliment the blocking mechanism, but outside of that what input do you think they should have? | |
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by logic1977 :To block pirated content is a BUSINESS decision. It is not a technical decision so why should the network support group have input on whether it should be implimented? There is a technical component to the decision of course. If you decide to block this content your network team needs to tell you how much it will cost in order to impliment the blocking mechanism, but outside of that what input do you think they should have? How about whether implementing such a business decision will have negative effects on the overall performance of the network. Just because an exec thinks something might be a good business decision doesn't necessarily mean it makes sense from an engineering standpoint. | |
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content That's true, but that would be part of the feedback I would expect when I got the cost of implimentation.
At the end of teh day it is still a business decision for the suit to make is it not? It might be a challenge technically but you have to do what you have to do. | |
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by logic1977 :At the end of teh day it is still a business decision for the suit to make is it not? It might be a challenge technically but you have to do what you have to do. Sure. But that doesn't mean things can't get FUBAR'd. If this is going to be applied to the AT&T backbone too, it's going to effect a large portion of the internet in this country. But until we know more details on how this will work, it's all conjecture at this point. | |
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| Surprised this tread did not get locked yet. lol
Interestingly this doesn't stop hackers or pirates they will find a new way of dist there pirated product or if it is legal they will find work arounds I am sure.
They went from P2P to Bit torrent. Now who knows besides Usenet services what else can be done out in cyberspace.
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by Surfinusa :Surprised this tread did not get locked yet. lol Interestingly this doesn't stop hackers or pirates they will find a new way of dist there pirated product or if it is legal they will find work arounds I am sure. They went from P2P to Bit torrent. Now who knows besides Usenet services what else can be done out in cyberspace. This thread is on steroids. lol I couldn't agree more. | |
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logic1977
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Tucker, GA | I think the dedicated piraters will always find a way around it. But if the content providers say you have to do what you can, and you want to get in the business of being a content rpovider, you make whatever changes you can. | |
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iLive4Apple
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| Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content said by CaptBobo :I just ordered my Earthlink 8.0mbps today. The Deathstar is history. Since they took over BS my service has been crap. Having to Reboot the modem all the time to get the speed back to 6mbps, then it drops to 2.8 after a few hours. Along with this strongarm tactic, it's time to hit them in the pocketbook. Bye Bye, thanks for flying Delta! Thank You, please close the door on your way out. | |
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