CaptBobo
@bellsouth.net
|  reply to iLive4Apple
Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content
I just ordered my Earthlink 8.0mbps today. The Deathstar is history. Since they took over BS my service has been crap. Having to Reboot the modem all the time to get the speed back to 6mbps, then it drops to 2.8 after a few hours.
Along with this strongarm tactic, it's time to hit them in the pocketbook. Bye Bye, thanks for flying Delta!  |
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Tel
join:2001-10-12
Mauldin, SC
 ·AT&T Southeast
| said by CaptBobo :I just ordered my Earthlink 8.0mbps today. The Deathstar is history. Since they took over BS my service has been crap. Having to Reboot the modem all the time to get the speed back to 6mbps, then it drops to 2.8 after a few hours. Along with this strongarm tactic, it's time to hit them in the pocketbook. Bye Bye, thanks for flying Delta! Thank You, please close the door on your way out. |
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Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
| reply to FAQFixer
said by FAQFixer  :From a legal point of view, according to recent court decisions, AT&T is partially liable for the activity. What court decisions would you be referring to?
Grokster? It doesn't apply to ISPs protected by safe harbor. As long as AT&T continues to just pass the traffic along and doesn't monitor what the content is, they are not liable. |
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heat84
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL | reply to jazzman916
In an earlier post in this thread it was said that there was an AT&T news server AND a BS news server. I guess that person was wrong? |
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FAQFixer
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| reply to Zoder
said by Zoder :said by FAQFixer :From a legal point of view, according to recent court decisions, AT&T is partially liable for the activity. What court decisions would you be referring to? Grokster? It doesn't apply to ISPs protected by safe harbor. As long as AT&T continues to just pass the traffic along and doesn't monitor what the content is, they are not liable. Not completely true. The safe harbor only exists when the ISP is the pipe only. BellSouth/AT&T is not only the pipe but the storage and means of distribution. It goes to the basic main function of the service, which is to illegally distribute a huge volume of copyrighted material. Grokster claimed that they didn't advertise that their service was to illegally distribute material and that people were misusing their service That didn't hold up because the court felt that is was the main purpose of Grokster(advertised or not). Since BellSouth/AT&T is acutely aware that the majority of the binary files are copyrighted and that they provide the access, storage, means to distribute the material, they can presumably be held liable. |
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Doctor Olds
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said by heat84 :In an earlier post in this thread it was said that there was an AT&T news server AND a BS news server. I guess that person was wrong? There is more than just two servers. 
»www.usenettools.net/ISP.htm
BellSouth newsgroups.bellsouth.net
SBC Global (Yahoo) news.xxx.sbcglobal.net
(where "xxx" is your local area. Check this link for your address)
»help.att.net/docs/use/email/gen/···qcounter
News Settings:
I am dialing into AT&T Worldnet(R) Service
News Server (NNTP): netnews.att.net
I am connecting through a high speed connection or another ISP
News Server (NNTP): inetnews.worldnet.att.net
»wurd.com/settings.php#Accessing
Connecting to AT&T Worldnet Service
NNTP Server: netnews.worldnet.att.net or netnews.att.net (Port 119)
Accessing Through High-speed Connections & Other ISPs
NNTP Server: inetnews.worldnet.att.net (Port 563)
»helpme.att.net/article.php?item=287#nntp
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Zoder
join:2002-04-16
Miami, FL
1 edit | reply to FAQFixer
said by FAQFixer :Not completely true. The safe harbor only exists when the ISP is the pipe only. BellSouth/AT&T is not only the pipe but the storage and means of distribution. It goes to the basic main function of the service, which is to illegally distribute a huge volume of copyrighted material. Grokster claimed that they didn't advertise that their service was to illegally distribute material and that people were misusing their service That didn't hold up because the court felt that is was the main purpose of Grokster(advertised or not). Since BellSouth/AT&T is acutely aware that the majority of the binary files are copyrighted and that they provide the access, storage, means to distribute the material, they can presumably be held liable. The layman answer would be I believe Grokster and Usenet are different because Grokster was created for that purpose, advertised or not. Usenet is decades old, was not created for the purpose of piracy, and serves dual purposes. You could argue that alt.binaries.* be purged.
Legally, there was actually a case, that discussed this very issue. Ellison v. Robertson, et al.
»www.internetlibrary.com/cases/li···e349.cfm
On appeal, AOL was found to be protected from direct copyright infringement of Harlen Ellison's work stored on their usenet servers. The works were posted by an AOL subscriber. This affirmed the district court's ruling. The Court also ruled that issues of fact precluded it from determining at this time whether AOL was entitled to the protections of Section 512(a). This reversed the district court who had ruled that AOL was protected under this section from contributory copyright infringement. The Appeals court found that AOL did not have an adequate system in place for a copyright folder to file a removal complaint and for AOL to then remove the material and after repeated infringement, the customer. Specifically, they had changed their copyright abuse email address and never posted the change with the US copyright office. So complaints were never being received.
The fact is, that if the court ruling had been against usenet being protected, ISPs would have completely stopped hosting usenet in 2004 when the decision came down. Their legal departments would have seen to that.
I also have a question for you.
Do you think that if AT&T stopped hosting usenet servers they should also block access to 3rd party services like giganews? If yes, wouldn't they be violating their net neutrality commitment to the FCC when they received merger approval since Usenet contains before legal and non legal content just like the rest of the internet? If no, how are they not opening themselves up to liability under the DMCA once they implement the technology mentioned by Mr. Cicconi. By actively monitoring for piracy, they will lose safe harbor. As I discussed earlier, it's not good enough to make deals with the major media companies. Any copyright holder in the world would now be able to sue AT&T in US federal court.
Although I hope I'm wrong, I'm sure it is just a matter of time before AT&T cripples our Usenet service since SBC/Pacbell's is already. But I don't think it will be because Usenet makes them legally vulnerable. |
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heat84
join:2004-03-11
Fort Lauderdale, FL
 ·Comcast
·AT&T Southeast
2 edits | reply to Doctor Olds
You should read what you copy and paste and link to Dr. Olds. This is an AT&T Southeast forum and nothing on the pages you linked to and pasted from pertains to this region of the country. And the ATT.net servers you posted are dead (for a long time I'm pretty sure). I found one of them myself a few months ago on a page that was like 5 years old. But thanks anyway. Actually the inet one works but won't except my BS login and password.
I guess was over dramatic when I said I'd die without the BS news server, but I find that I get most stuff from either there or Bit Torrent. Although I did find a free server that's better than BS in all respects except DL speed. The max is 16 k/s. Though it does allow 3 or 4 connections which doesn't make that so bad. And no I won't tell anyone the address because then everyone would use it then it wouldn't be free anymore. But its not too hard to find with Google though.
And I know there's more than 2 servers.  I just meant that since BS is now AT&T I was thinking I could use their servers. But apparently not (yet). |
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Doctor Olds
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1 edit | said by heat84 :You should read what you copy and paste and link to Dr. Olds. This is an AT&T Southeast forum and nothing on the pages you linked to and pasted from pertains to this region of the country. AT&T is now in charge of many regions including this one as the latest acquisition. All the regions will eventually use the same services and with Usenet that will very likely be none (as in gone, gone, gone). Email however will stay legacy (meaning you keep @bellsouth.net for now) until they get tired of keeping it that way.
Nonetheless you asked this......
said by heat84 :
What's the address of AT&T's news server?
And you got the complete answer. You didn't ask for just "this region" as I would have correctly replied there is none for this region.
You also asked ...
said by heat84 :
You guys that hang around this forum alot seem to ignore people who ask about news servers. Maybe you don't know what they are?
Most of the time they ignore the people that act like it is an entitlement from what I've seen.
said by heat84 :And the ATT.net servers you posted are dead (for a long time I'm pretty sure). I found one of them myself a few months ago on a page that was like 5 years old. But thanks anyway. Actually the inet one works but won't except my BS login and password. No they are not. You can read below for the details, you are just not authorized to use them. Your Bellsouth IP is blocked from even connection to some of the other servers.
said by heat84 :I guess was over dramatic when I said I'd die without the BS news server, And I know there's more than 2 servers. I just meant that since BS is now AT&T I was thinking I could use their servers. But apparently not (yet). Wishful thinking on using non-Bellsouth other region AT&T servers for Usenet. It will likely not happen as they are wanting to drop all of Usenet in-order to get further into bed with Hollywood. 
Anyway. Your IP is not going to be able to even access NNTP servers for WorldNet that is still active. You would need a WorldNet Dial-up account and matching IP before it will respond.
»www.download.att.net/plans/unlimited1.html
WorldNet alive and kicking...
quote:
Initiating server query ...
Looking up IP address for domain: inetnews.worldnet.att.net
The IP address for the domain is: 204.127.161.11
Connecting to the server on remote port: 563
[Connected]
You also cannot access any SBC/Yahoo servers or any AT&T/Yahoo servers as none of that infrastructure has been merged with former Bellsouth region of AT&T. We can call it BS/AT&T. LOL
Your Bellsouth credentials and IP will only allow you access to "newsgroups.bellsouth.net" period.
I never posted that you would have access to any of these other servers. I just posted that there were other AT&T servers depending on what region of the AT&T takeover wise a person was in and that there were indeed multiple servers under multiple names now all under the AT&T roof.
If you were an SBC/Yahoo DSL customer you would not have access to Bellsouth News but the SBC/Yahoo News servers instead. I'd bet they shut all servers down before they would consider consolidating them.
Regards,
Doctor Olds
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| reply to Trimline
Try buying "Dennou Coil", or "Lucky Star" anywhere in the U.S. At least, at this time (as I write this) neither has been licensed for U.S. distribution. If you want to watch them, and others of their kind (anime; Japanese animation), you either wait until (or if) they are licensed, and published, by U.S. Companies, or you BT them.
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
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| reply to pas1972
said by pas1972 :"So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content?" That's exactly what I was saying. Then you are wrong. I know an architect who is a photographer on the side. He frequently deals with large files, legitimately, for which a 6Mbps connection would be barely adequate.
OTOH, high data speed is no excuse for engaging in ethically questionable activity.
I don't need to be a burglar in order to use locksmith tools; nor to I need to be a robber in order to use a firearm.
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Pashune
Inhaling at 675 KB per sec.
Premium
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Gautier, MS
·CableOne
·AT&T Southeast
| reply to NormanS
said by NormanS :Try buying "Dennou Coil", or "Lucky Star" anywhere in the U.S. At least, at this time (as I write this) neither has been licensed for U.S. distribution. If you want to watch them, and others of their kind (anime; Japanese animation), you either wait until (or if) they are licensed, and published, by U.S. Companies, or you BT them. *Lucky Star fanatic*
But that's not the point of this thread...heheh.
Or you can "Stage6" them until they get removed due to licensing.. |
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dcuebas
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join:2001-02-11
Peachtree City, GA
| I've been thinking about signing up with at&t (bellsouth) and found this thread when I was browsing this forum for any bellsouth / at&t issues. I was "this close" to ordering DSL 6.0 before I started doing some digging on this news.
Its been about a month since their content censorship announcement. Any updates as to how or what they're gonna be blocking?
I'm not worried so much about pirated content, but I am wondering about what sites or criteria they're going to block.
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logic1977
Premium
join:2001-02-11
Tucker, GA | reply to DSL Lab Rat
right now they arent blocking anything nor are there any details about what specifically may be blocked or how th emonitoring and blocking would be implimented. |
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Doctor Olds
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| said by logic1977 :right now they arent blocking anything nor are there any details about what specifically may be blocked or how th emonitoring and blocking would be implimented. I'd bet it will be Hollywood™ Approved with Microsoft© Encryption and Intel® Hardware DRM implemented for Core Duo and Dual Core CPUs.
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clecrupt
@comcast.net
| reply to DSL Lab Rat
Ha! They don't call her MA-Bell for nothing.
The next 'moral' move may be to have moses(Whitacre) introduce the 11th commandment : Thou Shalt Not Serf Against thy AT&T Broadband.  |
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NormanS
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San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by clecrupt :
Ha! They don't call her MA-Bell for nothing.
AT&T was called "Ma Bell" long before this issue. And only because of the Bell affiliation. The new AT&T is not a Bell affiliate; there have been only a few subsequent to the Judge Green Consent Decree in 1984. Cincinnati Bell comes to mind; but it was never a part of the AT&T machine.
The next 'moral' move may be to have moses(Whitacre) introduce the 11th commandment : Thou Shalt Not Serf Against thy AT&T Broadband.
You might want to stick to the Comcast forums; you clearly know nothing about AT&T.
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clecrupt
@comcast.net
| you clearly know nothing about AT&T.
LoL.. I agree.
Hey, who ever 'knows' anything anyhow... Lord, first comes morality then comes knowledge. This thread is going down a rabbit hole.
Say, will AT&T still let you google rabbit hole?? |
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NormanS
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join:2001-02-14
San Jose, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
| said by clecrupt :Say, will AT&T still let you google rabbit hole?? They won't cut me off for downloading in excess of 200GBytes per month!
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Doctor Olds
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| said by NormanS :They won't cut me off for downloading in excess of 200GBytes per month! Not this week at least.
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