pas1972
join:2000-10-22
Hanceville, AL
2 edits | reply to DSL Lab Rat
Re: [Services] AT&T to block pirated content
I find it funny how people will defend a corporation's position.
Let's say that AT&T does implement this some type of anti piracy measures.
Most people don't pay for 6 meg broadband so that they can surf the web. There's a reason people want to have that much bandwidth.
If all I did was play some online games and web browse, a 1.5 meg connection would be fine.
By cutting out piracy they cut out the need for the larger bandwidth connections, and potentially a large percentage of their customer base that only uses DSL because they need the bandwidth in order to be able to download the pirated content. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| said by pas1972  :I find it funny how people will defend a corporation's position. Let's say that AT&T does implement this some type of anti piracy measures. Most people don't pay for 6 meg broadband so that they can surf the web. There's a reason people want to have that much bandwidth. If all I did was play some online games and web browse, a 1.5 meg connection would be fine. By cutting out piracy they cut out the need for the larger bandwidth connections, and potentially a large percentage of their customer base that only uses DSL because they need the bandwidth in order to be able to download the pirated content. So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content? Or are you saying they should support piracy because it lines their pockets?
Geez...I don't know whether to be insulted at the insinuation or laugh. Please don't tell me that if AT&T went on record as supporting piracy you'd applaud them. |
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pas1972
join:2000-10-22
Hanceville, AL
1 edit | reply to DSL Lab Rat
"So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content?" That's exactly what I was saying.
The difference between a 6 meg connection and a 1.5 to the average home user when they are downloading mp3's legally and watching YouTube is negligible.
Most users get faster connections because they need the bandwidth. Why do they need the bandwidth? Because they're downloading 4 gig dvd's and iso copies of games.
The idea that someone would need a 6 meg connection to surf the web is laughable.
Btw, exactly why would you be insulted at the idea? Are you a majority stockholder in AT&T's stock? |
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Doctor Olds
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1970 442 W30
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said by DV0407 :Doctor Olds i actually said earthlink because i wouldnt get the packet shaving with them, cause if you see several post above it says RR is doing the same. and by speeds i meant Eearthlink doesnt offer the speeds RR does. You do realize that packet shaping is still far better than no packets at all (as in zero packets)? You do follow that right?
As far as EL not packet shaping I think you may not understand that EL just resells the TW/Brighthouse service and uses the same packet shaping Routers/Gateways.
»Earthlink HSI Cable FAQ »Will I get the same speeds from Earthlink as my cable carrier?
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
| reply to pas1972
My, what a narrow little imagination you have. I happen to have a 6 meg connection which I use quite frequently for purposes other than downloading pirated material. I think it's hilarious that you believe that's the only thing someone could make use of it for. But I guess the whole world has to fit your predetermined views, huh? |
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Pashune
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join:2006-04-14
Gautier, MS
 ·CableOne
 ·AT&T Southeast
| I'm not trying to push off your opinions at all, Pas1972. I can definitely name a legal use for Extreme 6.0 speeds though.
Stage6, anyone? The HD of YouTube, after all. 
»www.stage6.com/ |
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pas1972
join:2000-10-22
Hanceville, AL
1 edit | reply to RJ44
said by RJ44 :My, what a narrow little imagination you have. I happen to have a 6 meg connection which I use quite frequently for purposes other than downloading pirated material. I think it's hilarious that you believe that's the only thing someone could make use of it for. But I guess the whole world has to fit your predetermined views, huh? About as much as the world has to fit yours.
You notice I did say FOR THE AVERAGE HOME USER.
You were once again too busy stepping up on the podium to notice.
Let's cover this, I WAS STATING MY OPINION. I DON'T GIVE A RAT'S ASS IF YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.
Are we on the same page now?
Though I'm sure there are plenty of legal uses for large amounts of bandwidth, the PRIMARY reason people upgrade speeds is to be able to download larger files in shorter periods of time.
You can run off at the mouth to try and make that statement not be true, but in the end you won't sway me over to your side, so why bother arguing?
I think someone already confirmed my assumption a couple of replies up when they stated that P2P traffic was the majority of traffic on Bellsouth's network. That would tend to say that quite a bit of people are using their broadband for the exact purpose of piracy.
Oh and btw, I hope you noticed me not being nice anymore. It's a direct response to you trying to belittle me in your post.
Edit: Boy you Bellsouth techs sure do act professional to the public. I wonder if you talk to your customers that way when on a service call? It would be far easier to have a rational discussion if you didn't always try and belittle and degrade people because they don't agree with your opinion. In your eyes I may have a limited imagination, but in my eyes you lack the maturity to have an adult discussion. |
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pas1972
join:2000-10-22
Hanceville, AL
| reply to Pashune
Pashune, I never said that people didn't use their 6 meg connection for legal purposes. What I said was that the main reason most home users would get a 6 meg connection is to download pirated material.
That doesn't mean that people only use it for pirated material. It just means that if Joe Smoe has a 1.5 connection and uses his internet casually like most people, then he upgrades to a 6 meg connection, the chances are he won't be able to tell the difference between his 1.5 meg and his 6 meg. More than likely under those circumstance Joe Smoe will downgrade his service rather than pay the extra money monthly. Unless Joe Smoe is the type that likes to show up his friends, then he'd keep the 6 meg just to be able to brag that he had 6 meg.
This entire discussion has brought another question to mind, why do ISP's always act like it's so terrible for their users to actually use the bandwidth they pay for?
If they sell you a 6 meg line, but want to through a tantrum if you actually use the full 6 megs, why not just sell a maximum of 3?
It seems to me like they are acting like the injured party when they are gambling on people not using the bandwidth, then people actually do. |
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
1 edit | reply to pas1972
said by pas1972 :You notice I did say FOR THE AVERAGE HOME USER. No, actually I missed that. Please show me where the statement "THE AVERAGE HOME USER" was made in your earlier posts.
What I *did* see, was this:
said by pas1972 :"So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content?" That's exactly what I was saying. Once again, you've made an outrageous statement, then become offended when someone calls you on it. Followed by the typical attempts to backtrack on what you actually said, and/or make false claims about what the person challenging you said. Also followed by the predicable accusasion of personal attacks and flaming.
Like it or not, piracy is not the only reason to have a fast connection, and if you're unable to think of any other reason, you are definitely lacking in imagination. And I'll stand by that statement. Apparently you've already changed your mind about that and are now agreeing , even while trying to make it look like that's not what you originally said. See above quote for reference.
Hey, I have an idea. Maybe if you only said what you meant in these posts there wouldn't be these misunderstandings. But when you say one thing then go in half a dozen different directions when challenged on them, it gets messy.
PS...please go back and look very carefully to see if you can figure out whatever makes you think I'm a BellSouth tech. Once again, you've jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Regards! |
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pas1972
join:2000-10-22
Hanceville, AL
1 edit | I haven't changed my standpoint yet, though apparently you lack the English comprehension skills to notice.
People like you love to argue and picture everything in the world as black and white.
If I were to say, "Women are terrible drivers," you'd naturally jump on the band wagon and tell me how not all women drivers are bad because your Aunt Floe has never had a ticket or accident. Which would be a completely pointless argument considering that of course not all women drivers are awful, it's a generalized statement and of course there are always exceptions to the rule.
I never once said, "Every single Bellsouth user that has a 6 meg connection uses it to download pirated material".
I did say that I believed that by cutting the ability to receive pirated material out of their network, that they would negate the need for at least 50% of their current 6 meg users to have a 6 meg connection. I stand by that statement. It's my opinion based on what I know of the majority of people around me that use broadband.
"The difference between a 6 meg connection and a 1.5 to the average home user when they are downloading mp3's legally and watching YouTube is negligible." There's where I referred to the average home user. You must have missed that when you were busy trying to come up with a witty reply.
Usually when I refer to the "average home user" I'm referring to the guy that surfs the web, checks email occasionally, and might actually watch a video on YouTube once every few days.
If you wish to sway my opinion, how about posting some statistics on the number of users on 6 meg that use their connection to download pirated material? Since we both know you can't do that, what we're left is with both of us having differing opinions, and you trying to force your opinion down my throat.
As far as me thinking your a Bellsouth employee, with you constantly displaying the need to support Bellsouth's point of view, even if it's something that would effect their customers in a negative way, it would be a logical conclusion that you're an employee. If you aren't then maybe you should get a hobby or something?
Edit: Oh and btw, I'm not offended. I'm astounded that you're trying to argue with me about my opinion.
You asked a stupid question, I answered it.
When and if you stop asking stupid questions, I'll be more than happy to stop typing stupid answers for you. |
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DSL Lab Rat
Runnin' On The Wheel
join:2001-04-18
Pelham, AL
clubs: | reply to pas1972
pas1972,
Why do you have 6 Meg service? |
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pas1972
join:2000-10-22
Hanceville, AL
| said by DSL Lab Rat :pas1972, Why do you have 6 Meg service? Lol, now that was funny. |
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jazzman916
Life on the Upbeat
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join:2001-09-01
Birdland
clubs: | reply to DSL Lab Rat
Now, that the personal pot shots are out of your system, let's all get back on track. |
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Oleg
Bellsouth Fastaccess
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join:2003-12-08
Birmingham, AL
1 edit | reply to DSL Lab Rat
Carrier would not start blocking web sites used to distribute illegal content  |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
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join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
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| said by Oleg :Carrier would not start blocking web sites used to distribute illegal content The Routers once setup to block pirated material sure would. It is a simple no-pass, no go situation coming soon to you.
HTTP, FTP, NNTP, ect would all get filtered.
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beldin
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Union, SC
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| reply to DSL Lab Rat
Of course, there are always ways around any filters that are put in place. They will only stop the "average" user from obtaining pirated content. The "hard-core" users will still be able to get most anything they want with just a little more work.
I could care less if filters are put in place. I've got 6.0 service because I've got 4 computers, a PS2 and an XBox360 all connected. Plus the fact that when I download from iTunes, I don't want to wait a long time for it come down. And, the price difference from 3.0 to 6.0 is such a small amount that I figured it would be worth it.
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RJ44
join:2001-10-19
Nashville, TN
1 edit | reply to pas1972
said by pas1972 :I did say that I believed that by cutting the ability to receive pirated material out of their network, that they would negate the need for at least 50% of their current 6 meg users to have a 6 meg connection. I stand by that statement. Yeah, that's exactly what you said all right.
said by pas1972 :"So you're saying the only reason to have a fast connection is to download pirated content?" That's exactly what I was saying. This is really very simple. That is the statement I'm disagreeing with. Not with all these other statements you've made since. That does not say "THE AVERAGE HOME USER" or "50%" of users or anything remotely like it. Unfortunately you don't seem capable of defending that statement you made, so you choose to make up new ones to defend and pretend I'm disagreeing with them, instead.
I'm done with this one. |
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ncguy68
join:2006-10-14
Kings Mountain, NC
| I guess I have to put in my 2 cent worth.
If they start blocking too much content there will not be much need for 3mbps and 6mbps...for the 'average' home user. Media content is the basic need for extreme highspeed. When an ISP starts to limit what content can be downloaded it will be a crippling blow to the internet as we know it. If they choose to block content they are only hurting themselves in the long run. |
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Bal3Wolf
join:2002-01-12
233111
| I fail to see your logic get 6m you must pirate and do illegal stuff. Hmm how many computers do you have at your house on 1.5m get 3 or 4 its going to be slow when every one is surfing and watching movies on the many sites you can watch legally. Or playing online games and downloading legal games aka steam you can now buy nearly every game that hits stores online and download them. Ever heard of itunes download legal music and tv eps and soon full movies would you wanna wait all day on a 1.5m or get it alot faster on a 6m. |
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Doctor Olds
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said by ncguy68 :If they start blocking too much content there will not be much need for 3mbps and 6mbps...for the 'average' home user. Media content is the basic need for extreme highspeed. When an ISP starts to limit what content can be downloaded it will be a crippling blow to the internet as we know it. If they choose to block content they are only hurting themselves in the long run. The key is that they are not blocking "content" in general they are only going to be blocking "illegal content". There is plenty of "legal content" still to be downloaded.
You could fill up a hard drive with what is archived at the Internet Archive.
»www.archive.org/details/movies
quote:
Welcome to the Archive's Moving Images library of free movies, films, and videos. This library contains thousands of digital movies which range from classic full-length films, to daily alternative news broadcasts, to videos of every genre uploaded by Archive users. Most of these movies are available for download.
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