Re: greed, greed, greed! in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r18545421 en Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:45:11 EDT Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:45:11 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18546544 Jason Levine : Either way, it won't accomplish anything against the RIAA. The best that they can hope for is that their stunt will get some PR which will bring the issue to more people's minds. I don't think that John Q Surfer really cares much about it though. (This isn't to say that I support the RIAA in this matter -- I don't -- or that it isn't important. Just that most people don't see the importance of this and will go back to debating about "more important" things like American Idol, Paris Hilton, and Danny Lynn etc.)]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18546544 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:23:50 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18546492 visio : actually, its more like gas stations refusing to turn on pumps on a certain day.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18546492 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 15:14:19 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18546142 RadioDoc : Nope. And this will fail just like the protests back in the 70's where naked college kids chained together in an attempt to reverse some administration decision.

At least those were fun to look at... :D
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

Last I checked, transferring legally bought and paid for CD's with no DRM on them to my computer for my use is perfectly legal. Even under the DMCA. :)
Back in February of last year, the recording industry released a statement that declared that customers don't have the built-in right to rip their CDs even for personal use.

said by »arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20···190.html :

The real kicker is buried in a footnote, where the joint reply suggests the unthinkable: that making copies of CDs for any purpose may, in fact, be infringement.

Nor does the fact that permission to make a copy in particular circumstances is often or even "routinely" granted, see C6 at 8, necessarily establish that the copying is a fair use when the copyright owner withholds that authorization. In this regard, the statement attributed to counsel for copyright holders in the Grokster case, is simply a statement about authorization, not about fair use.
Allow me to translate: just because people have been copying CDs in the past doesn't mean that that they had the authorization to do so, and a general trend does not override such explicit authorization.
So, according to that statement, you're infringing their copyright.

Of course, 1) they'll never be able to codify this opinion into law and 2) even if they did, there would be no way to catch personal rippers.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18546090 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:06:08 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18546014 TKJunkMail :
said by vpoko See Profile :

said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

So they go off the air for a day. Who cares. I guess I'll just have to listen to the 1000 songs I transferred from my CD collection to the computer. And this is the music I like and listen to anyway - 50's to 70's oldies.
You mean the music you transferred against the wishes of the recording industry and possibly in violation of the DMCA? Tsk tsk.
Last I checked, transferring legally bought and paid for CD's with no DRM on them to my computer for my use is perfectly legal. Even under the DMCA. :)
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

I guess I'll just have to listen to the 1000 songs I transferred from my CD collection to the computer.
Pirate alert! Pirate alert! Quick. Somebody call the RIAA lawyers and alert them to this profound act of piracy! It's killing the music industry! You should be ashamed of yourself for contributing to the death of the music industry.
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said by TKJunkMail See Profile :

So they go off the air for a day. Who cares. I guess I'll just have to listen to the 1000 songs I transferred from my CD collection to the computer. And this is the music I like and listen to anyway - 50's to 70's oldies.
You mean the music you transferred against the wishes of the recording industry and possibly in violation of the DMCA? Tsk tsk.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545935 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:46:01 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545877 BuriedCaesar : Yeah - this seems kinda like telling everyone not to purchase gas on a certain day. That's always gone over real well.
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That was preposterous! Utter Nonsense! Totally unsupportable drivel! You can't be serious!....Um, what did you say?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545877 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 13:38:21 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545545 S_engineer : It would be nice if the rate changes fail, but I honestly don't think they will. This is afterall, an argument about property rights. It would be a goodwill gesture for industry to give up this battle, and one the would reflect positively upon themselves, but why would they want that?

If congress had some teeth, they would seriously look at this industries violations of the Sherman Anti-trust Act regarding the way certain "artists" are promoted. Maybe then, since I live in an area with 5 million people around it, I could tune into a decent station without having to turn off the same drone type music thats be propagated.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545545 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:44:42 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545421 TKJunkMail : So they go off the air for a day. Who cares. I guess I'll just have to listen to the 1000 songs I transferred from my CD collection to the computer. And this is the music I like and listen to anyway - 50's to 70's oldies.
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I've been buying all of my music from Amie Street for awhile now and am amazed by all of the high quality, non-RIAA stuff out there. So far I've bought 79 81 songs (no DRM MP3s) and have paid a mere $4.45 $5.41. Just try to beat that, iTunes! ;-)

EDIT: Bought a few more songs today. :D]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545358 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:10:33 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545307 Elite : No DI.FM for my birthday huh?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545307 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:03:36 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545297 shoan : I just chose to stop buying music period. Now don't jump out there and think I am downloading it illegally. I cut the RIAA off at the pocketbook. And doing it the right way by doing it legally no more music for me. Sorry artists most of the stuff put out there is tripe anyways. Thier loss not mine.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545297 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:02:16 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545294 Fox McCloud :
said by kalphearion See Profile :

said by Fox McCloud See Profile :

Pricks...I hope this fails...
The protest or the rate change?
I'm sorry, I should have been more clear;

I hope the rate changes fail.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545294 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:01:46 EDT Re: greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545288 kalphearion :
said by Fox McCloud See Profile :

Pricks...I hope this fails...
The protest or the rate change?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545288 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 12:00:51 EDT greed, greed, greed! http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545262 Fox McCloud : This is just further legislation by the music industry to protect what they care about most; their money. Here is Internet radio, which may have fewer commercial, and the ability to easily record the music......*gasp* It's jeopardizing our industry! We must shut it down...

Pricks...I hope this fails...]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,18545262 Thu, 21 Jun 2007 11:56:44 EDT